Obama’s Oath without a Bible - Is He An Atheist Afterall?

January 21, 2009

I don’t know which nonsense notion riles me more: that Obama is the

Anti-Christ

, that Obama is a closeted

muslim extremist

, or that Obama is a

dirty little atheist

(Ann Coulter at 3:09 in the video, and also

here

).

To fuel the rumors that Obama, and not just his

mother

, was a nonbeliever, one need look no further than in his do-over this morning of his Oath of Office, when he

neglected

to use a Bible. (Neither the use of the Bible, nor the use of “So help me God” in the

Presidential Oath of Office

is required in the U.S. Constitution.)

(Trivia: The only other U.S. Presidents known to take an oath of office without a Bible or other religious text were John Quincy Adams, who swore on a law book, and Teddy Roosevelt in 1901 in Buffalo, New York — right down the street from where I used to live on Delaware Avenue — after the assassination of William McKinley. Interestingly, the President widely considered one of the most dishonest, Nixon, swore on

two

Bibles.)

Comments:

#1 JakeR (Guest) on Friday January 23, 2009 at 12:45am

There is documentary evidence that Lyndon Johnson swore the oath on a Catholic missal aboard Air Force One after JFK’s assassination, apparently thinking it was a Bible.

#2 r strle (Guest) on Friday January 23, 2009 at 2:45pm

I see no mention of “So help me god.”  Was this also in the redo of the oath?  If SHMG was not added in the redo and a bible was not used maybe for once in her life Ann Coulter is right and BHO really is “a dirty little atheist.” 

It will add to my optimism for a BHO administration to think there is evidence that he is a closet atheist.

#3 Jim (Guest) on Saturday January 24, 2009 at 9:21am

Barry Soetoro
AKA Barack Hussein Obama is a MUSLIM!

#4 dEd Grimley (Guest) on Saturday January 24, 2009 at 10:55am

No. No he isn’t. Don’t be Fox News, guys. He’s a Christian, and he’s put a lot of thought into it. So hope as one might, he’s not an Atheist. Nor a Muslim, nor a Scientologist.

#5 Jim (Guest) on Saturday January 24, 2009 at 12:12pm

Barack Hussein Obama, born to a MUSLIM father, registered as a MUSLIM in an Indonesian School where he enthusiastically pursued study of the Koran, and Koranic prayers in Arabic, has always been, and will always be a MUSLIM!
The Koran teaches “LIE IF IT WILL FURTHER THE CAUSE OF ISLAM”! Read the “FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM”!
MUSLIMS HAVE BOUGHT AMERICA!
Beware “Shariah Law”!
To believe otherwise is wishful thinking delusional fanatical toady slaves cultivate to reinforce their insane aceptance that a “Ghost” “Created the world”!

#6 r strle (Guest) on Saturday January 24, 2009 at 2:33pm

Hey Jim,

R strle, born to a CATHOLIC father, registered as a CATHOLIC in a CATHOIC School where he enthusiastically pursued study of the Bible, and Catholic prayers in latin (was also an alter boy till kicked out in 4th grade for blowing his nose in the finger towel during a 6 AM mass attended by all the nuns), so I always have been, and will always be a CATHOLIC!

You sound like my mother!! 

Sorry mom, sorry Jim, I like BHO have escaped and plan never to return.

#7 Jim (Guest) on Saturday January 24, 2009 at 3:01pm

THE UNIVERSE
Mass/energy never disappear ever were ever here!
With nothing to ‘create’, a “so-called “Creator-God” is an impossible superfluous nonentity!
—————————————-
          THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground.
Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end.
Religion’s pollution is no solution for Darwin’s Evolution.
Natures origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence.
The worst form of child abuse is warping of the mind! 
———————————————————————-
      Find a “beginning” before claiming
        You know what “caused” it!
        ————————————
PS:Barry Soetoro ‘ALIAS’ Barack Hussein Obama
  claims to be “CHRISTIAN” like you?

#8 r strle (Guest) on Saturday January 24, 2009 at 10:40pm

Hey Jim,

Don’t see your reply that I found in my email posted here but since you asked,

“PS:Barry Soetoro ‘ALIAS’ Barack Hussein Obama
claims to be “CHRISTIAN” like you?

No I don’t claim to be a CHRISTIAN like BHO but maybe if Ann Coulter is right, for once in her life, BHO is really a “dirty little atheist” who escaped being a Muslim like I escaped being a catholic.  In line with the starting thread of this blog I merely suggest that maybe to be a politician BHO merely masquerades as a Christian.  I know several closet atheists masquerading as Christians and as I said in a previous post “It will add to my optimism for a BHO administration to think there is evidence that he is a closet atheist.”

#9 Jim (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 11:47am

To believe that ‘B’ ‘O’ is an “atheist” is wishful delusional thinking!
Only a ‘populace’ steeped in vagaries of soap operas, or sports distractions would be deluded into believing fairytales in lieu of the facts.
Early in his campaign Obama said he would “increase funding to Faith-based instutions”.
And, unless you are a Muslim, I cannot fathom your “optimism”.  Beware “Shariah Law”!

#10 JamesB (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 2:22pm

Of course he is not an atheist, and they say so above, calling the idea a “nonsense notion.” The point is that it is a rumor, and one that has been being picked up on by people like Glen Beck, and others

#11 r strle (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 2:47pm

“To believe that ‘B’ ‘O’ is an “atheist” is wishful delusional thinking!”

To believe ANYTHING is wishful delusional thinking!!

The standard most comprehensive dictionary definition of believe is; “to be of the opinion that something exists or is a reality especially when there is no proof of its existence or reality.”

Because I DON’T find it necessary to believe anything I DON’T believe BHO is an atheist.  You must have missed it so let me copy and paste it for you again.

“I see no mention of “So help me god.“  Was this also in the redo of the oath?  If SHMG was not added in the redo and a bible was not used MAYBE for once in her life Ann Coulter is right and BHO really is “a dirty little atheist.  It will add to my optimism for a BHO administration TO THINK THERE IS EVIDENCE that he is a closet atheist.” ” I MERELY SUGGEST that maybe to be a politician BHO merely masquerades as a Christian.  I know several closet atheists masquerading as Christians.”

Note that rather than stating a belief I am only considering or MERELY SUGGESTING the possibility that BHO is a “closet” atheist based on the admittedly (hence the use of the words like MAYBE or TO THINK and MERELY SUGGEST) slim evidence that in his redo of the oath he did not swear on a bible and no “mention” of SHMG was made.

“And, unless you are a Muslim, I cannot fathom your “optimism”.

My optimism is based on all I have seen and heard of BHO’s actions and ideas so far.  The “SLIGHT POSSIBILITY” that he “MAY BE” a closet atheist, like others I know, would only INCREASE (not cause) my optimism.

When you say that the only reason for my optimism you can fathom is that I must be a Muslim you display the same faulty logic and obtuse analysis of facts you used in your post #5 that I pointed out in my post #6.  But don’t feel alone, it has been my experience there are lots of people like my mom and you out there.  If fact I think there are so many of you that depending on how you define it you might take comfort in being the norm.

#12 Jim (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 3:49pm

You say: “—-dictionary definition of believe is; “to be of the opinion that something exists—-  when there is no proof—-”!  THEN:

You say: “Because I DON’T find it necessary to believe anything I DON’T believe BHO is an atheist.”
———————-
Earlier you say: “It will add to my optimism—-BHO—-to think—-he is a closet atheist.”
I say: When someone states (“without proof”)
RE:)”—-B’-O’—-to think he is—-atheist.” This “think” asserts a “BELIEF”!
But, if you do not “believe” he is an atheist, I wonder what you ‘DO’ BELIEVE HE IS? 
Ciao, Jim

#13 r strle (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 5:32pm

“You say: “Because I DON’T find it necessary to believe anything I DON’T believe BHO is an atheist.”

I think you have misinterpreted this but admit the possibility that my awkward phrasing contributed to your misinterpretation so I must apologize for my lack of clarity and proof reading skill. 

What I meant to say was: Because I DON’T find it necessary to believe anything I find no need to believe BHO is an atheist.”


I think that this clarification shows that rather than an error of logic I simply made my point in an awkward and admittedly confusing way.  I think that you should easily be able to see this by noting that my restatement is consistent with a statement I made further down in the post in question:

“Note that rather than stating a belief I am only considering or MERELY SUGGESTING the possibility that BHO is a “closet” atheist based on the admittedly (hence the use of the words like MAYBE or TO THINK and MERELY SUGGEST) slim evidence that in his redo of the oath he did not swear on a bible and no “mention” of SHMG was made.”

“to think he is—-atheist.“ This “think” asserts a “BELIEF”!”

Again I apologize for my lack of clarity and proof reading skills.

The dictionary definition of “think” that I was using is: “to imagine or bring something to mind or to understand something or the possibility of something.”

“But, if you do not “believe” he is an atheist, I wonder what you ‘DO’ BELIEVE HE IS?”

Again I apologize for my lack of clarity and proof reading skills.

Again, to clarify, I find believing anything about anyone or in anything unnecessary.

And to further clarify:

In the pursuit of what is true about the universe I have found that the scientific method has made believing obsolete. What I do is collect as much information, measurements and observations as possible, mix them together in a rational logical way, develop a hypothesis that is consistent with what I already know about the universe and try to test, disconfirm or confirm that hypothesis against data available to me, or anyone else, in the universe.  This of course is a description of the Scientific Method, which has no need for belief of any kind.  In the scientific pursuit of truth about the universe the evidence clearly shows that all that belief does is get in the way.


So:
In the case of BHO I have come to the tentative conclusion, based on the evidence available to me so far, that he is an very intelligent, thoughtful, well educated, astute politician and skillful speaker who knows what to say, how to say it and when to say it to achieve a desired political end.  I also “think”, (as defined above) that the very thin available evidence, “merely suggests” that there is a very small possibility that BHO could, like several closet atheists I know, be masquerading as a Christian to achieve a political end.

#14 Jim (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 6:55pm

You say: “—-BHO could,—- be masquerading as a Christian to achieve a political end.”
I say: ‘THIS’ I agree with!
And the reason seems glaringly obvious knowing most American voters would never vote to make a devotee of Islam, their President!
————————————————
            THE UNIVERSE
Mass/energy never disappear ever were ever here!
With nothing to ‘create’, a “so-called “Creator-God” is an impossible superfluous nonentity!
              J.H.
          THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground.
Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end.
Religion’s pollution is no solution for Darwin’s Evolution.
Natures origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence.
The worst form of child abuse is warping of the mind! 

Find a “beginning” before claiming you know what “caused” it!
              J.H.

#15 r strle (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 7:20pm

“You say: “—-BHO could,—- be masquerading as a Christian to achieve a political end.“

What I said was; “I am only considering or MERELY SUGGESTING the possibility that BHO is a “closet” atheist based on the admittedly slim evidence that in his redo of the oath he did not swear on a bible and no “mention” of SHMG was made.”

But what evidence that BHO is Muslim masquerading as a Christian other than the flawed logic of your post#5 which I think was fairly well discredited by my post #6?

#16 Jim (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 8:01pm

Your pedantic attitude blinds your mind to “LOGIC”!
Nowhere have you even approached ‘sound reasonng’to disprove my ‘informed’ statements regarding O’B's
(FACTUAL) backround, and ‘grounding’ in Islamic teachings including his ‘deep’ study of the Koran, and memorizing (in Arabic) the daily prayers “Shahadah” and “Salat”!
Your discussion of your own PROBLEMS with religion have no bearing nor import to me, nor to the points here being discussed. Mere distractions!
Have someone help you do a bit of research into the backround of Obama, including his schooling, statements of his teachers, and several schoolmates who have offered an insight into “Barry Soetoro’s”
intense devotion to his studies of the Koran?
All of which conflicts with YOUR idea he is something other than a MUSLIM! And contradicts your absurd assertions regarding my valid information!

#17 r strle (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 8:04pm

Something for J.H.

Late Lament
Graeme Edge
The Moody Blues Days of Futures Past

Breathe deep the gathering gloom
Watch lights fade from every room
Bedsitter people look back and lament
Another day’s useless energy spent

Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colours from our sight
Red is grey and yellow, white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion

#18 r strle (Guest) on Sunday January 25, 2009 at 10:34pm

“Nowhere have you even approached ‘sound reasonng’to disprove my ‘informed’ statements regarding O’B’s”

Again I ask you to reread my post #6.  I think only someone ideologically blinded by belief could fail to see the “sound reasoning” imbedded there. Listen Jim I know for a fact that I am not a Catholic (or even a Christian).  I am positive that if you asked anyone who knows me even casually they would confirm this so please show me how your absurd reasoning that BHO is a Muslim in post #5 is any different than my mothers absurd reasoning that I am a catholic in my post #6.

“(FACTUAL) backround, and ‘grounding’ in Islamic teachings including his ‘deep’ study of the Koran, and memorizing (in Arabic) the daily prayers “Shahadah” and “Salat”!  Have someone help you do a bit of research into the backround of Obama, including his schooling, statements of his teachers, and several schoolmates who have offered an insight into “Barry Soetoro’s” intense devotion to his studies of the Koran?”

Really?  Well this seems to be the classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.  First let me say that you are wrong.  I have done some investigating and research on this BHO is a Muslim thing and I have concluded that it is all just delusional thinking.  And even though you may not agree I think it parallels nicely with my (and many other nonbeliever former Catholics) youthful experience in Catholic school.  And while you claim to have done your research you haven’t in any of your posts come close to demonstrating that any of your “facts” rise much above the level of hearsay, innuendo and slander as indicated by my research.  So let me help you out.  Here are three sites I recommend that you check out carefully and thoroughly. 

#19 Jim (Guest) on Monday January 26, 2009 at 12:05pm

Too many words, too little reasoning!
  Weak arguments are a deluge of diatribe on a     foundation of quicksand!

Snopes has convicted ‘himself’ by writing proven lies!
                And-
          MOTHERS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT!

        PS: Try “Atlas Shrugged”

#20 r strle (Guest) on Monday January 26, 2009 at 3:15pm

Ok so I will keep it brief quote the Moody Blue again!

Red is grey and yellow, white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion.

#21 r strle (Guest) on Monday January 26, 2009 at 4:34pm

‘PS: Try “Atlas Shrugged””

Ah, Ayn Rand one of my favorite authors.  I discovered Ayn Rand early in my college years.  I have read all four of her novels and my favorite is Atlas Shrugged, which I read again last summer for, I think, the 4th time.  I must admit to intrigued bewilderment in trying to fathom the reasons for your referral in the context of our argument.  Could it be “The Sanction Of the Victim?”  Could it be the question “Who is John Galt (BHO)?”  Could it be the 56 page (“deluge of diatribe” that I call the Capitalist Manifesto of Ayn Rand) radio address of John Galt?”  Maybe it is all of these or maybe it is none of these but I will admit that the struggle to find an answer was worth the exercise.

#22 Jim (Guest) on Monday January 26, 2009 at 8:21pm

This is the “Atlas Shrugged” Site I referred to:

#23 r strle (Guest) on Tuesday January 27, 2009 at 9:37pm

From the site Atlas Shrugs

“HERE IS A MORE PLAUSIBLE THEORY:”???

You must be kidding.

On page i of the Introduction to the 35th Anniversary edition of Atlas Shrugged, Leonard Peikoff (Ayn Rand’s long time “associate” and intellectual heir) writes in his opening line:

“Ayn Rand held that art is a “RE-CREATION OF REALITY according to an artist’s metaphysical value judgments.”

This he places in quotes to indicate that it is taken directly from one of many of Ayn Rands philosophical statements.

I don’t know how much of a coincidence this site’s name is with the title of Ayn Rands novel, Atlas Shrugged, but I think the quote above says it all when it comes to the analysis of this web site.  I will point out just a FEW of the logical absurdities, that should be obvious to anyone even remotely in touch with reality, in the “RE-CREATION OF REALITY” at this site.

From

#24 Jim (Guest) on Wednesday January 28, 2009 at 5:22pm

Too many words, too little reasoning!
Weak arguments are a deluge of diatribe and useless verbiage on a foundation of quicksand!

You have allowed yourself to be ‘sidetracked’ away
from the ‘MAIN THRUST’ of ‘this whole discussion’, namely: “Obama”: “is he an Atheist after all”?
I directed you to ‘that’ “Atlas Shrugs” Site’ because there is much info there supporting Obama’s affiliation with ‘MUSLIM’ extremists, as well as much evidence he is a MUSLIM! And there is an article from “BBC” (You asked for “BBC” ‘proof’.) that details ‘his’ support of someone only a MUSLIM could SANELY support! 
Cheers, Jim

#25 r strle (Guest) on Wednesday January 28, 2009 at 6:39pm

“You have allowed yourself to be ‘sidetracked’ away
from the ‘MAIN THRUST’ of ‘this whole discussion’, namely: “Obama”: “is he an Atheist after all”?”

Yes I have!

#26 Misty (Guest) on Monday February 02, 2009 at 3:45pm

It is high time that the fruit on the tree matches the tree. We all want to carry a bible, swear by the bible and claim things we do not understand. If you truly believe the bible then you know the antichrist has been here for two thousand years..but the beast is what we are looking for..and his number. which is the number of a man. In order for one man to accomplish all those things, many things must take place first…Jesus said watch and be prepared.

#27 Jim (Guest) on Monday February 02, 2009 at 5:56pm

There never, I say NEVER was a “Jesus”!
          ————————     
            THE UNIVERSE
Mass/energy never disappear ever were ever here!
With nothing to ‘create’, a “so-called “Creator-God”
  Is a lie, and impossible superfluous nonentity!
    And that goes “double” for “Ghosts”!
                J.H.
            ————————
        “Jesus”!is a FAIRY TALE character!
          Like “Donald Duck”!
        And “little Orphan Annie!
            —————
       
        THE ORIGIN OF NATURE
Beginning is never found but keep an ear to the ground.
Accept the word of a friend there’s no beginning or end.
Religion’s pollution is no solution for Darwin’s Evolution.
Natures origin for instance is ceaselessness Existence.
The worst form of child abuse is warping of the mind! 

Find a “beginning” before claiming you know what “caused” it!
              J.H.

#28 Jim (Guest) on Thursday February 05, 2009 at 2:02pm

NOT AN ACT OF AN ATHEIST!!!!
       
        Americans United SAYS:
          President OBAMA’S
        ‘FAITH-BASED’PROGRAM(!)
  Lacks Adequate Constitutional Safeguards(!)
Church-State Watchdog Group Expresses Disappointment That Bush-Era Rules Allowing Religion-Based Hiring Discrimination Remain In Place
February 5, 2009
Americans United for Separation of Church and State today expressed disappointment that President Barack Obama’s “faith-based” initiative is being rolled out without repeal of Bush-era policies that violate civil rights and civil liberties.
Obama issued an executive order today appointing Joshua DuBois as executive director of the White House faith-based office and setting up an advisory council on faith-based and other issues.
President George W. Bush’s faith-based initiative allowed religious groups that accept tax funding to engage in discriminatory hiring and celebrated faith-based groups that proselytize. Today’s Obama action leaves the Bush executive orders in place including one that specifically authorizes religion-based employment discrimination in publicly funded programs.
“I am very disappointed that President Obama’s faith-based program is being rolled out without barring evangelism and religious discrimination in taxpayer-funded programs,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “It should be obvious that taxpayer-funded religious bias offends our civil rights laws, our Constitution and our shared sense of values.”

#29 Stephanie (Guest) on Saturday February 21, 2009 at 3:37pm

Who cares? Honestly, as long as he’s not using his religious beliefs to run the country, I don’t see why it matters if he’s atheist or christian or whatever else he might be.

#30 Jim (Guest) on Saturday February 21, 2009 at 8:14pm

For nearly two thousand years the followers of Mohammad have been scheming and perpetrating methods of ‘offing’infidels, and infiltrating,, while seeking to dominate often successfully ‘Societies’ by every type of sneaky artifice possible!
To believe that our MUSLIM President is anything more than temporarily dormantly inactive in this regard, the better to further disarm the infidels so as to accomplish the total domination of the last powerful holdout against the indoctrinatinng force of ISLAM, one must be either naive or too wrapped up with dulusional pastiimes to know that we have an enemy among us!
And, “Religion is the crime!
Teaching innocent childen and fools lies, and to be liars while succombing to a robotic slavery as cohortic proselytising toadies to charlatain Ponzi-like swindlers is the worst type of abuse of children and naive fools; and supporting “Faith Based Programs” violates our U S Constitution, and is a putrid criminal scourge upon humanity!
Muslims teach their innocent children to ‘off’ infidels while commiting “suicide bombing” so as to enjoy “paradise forever”! And then, they ‘celebrate’ their baby’s death!  You had better “care”!

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