1. God possibly exists in some world.
2. If God were to exist, He would exist necessarily by definition of
being perfect i.e. supreme. A being cannot be both supreme and not
necessary.
3. A -> B implies that if A is possibly true, then B must also be
possibly true. Therefore it is possibly necessary that God exists.
4. Possible necessity implies necessity by the S5 axiom.
5. God exists necessarily from 3 and 4.
6. If God exists necessarily, He must exist actually.
7. God exists actually following from 5 and 6.

Some comments…
a.) I think the S5 axiom is undependable.
b.) Basically, we’re defining God as “necessary.” But is that acceptable?
c.) Any help in pointing out exactly where this argument breaks down would be appreciated.

Please ask a serious question. I happen to be Catholic (and once was Lutheran). I can’t speak for others.

Please be careful about asking rhetorical questions: if you’ve phrased the question so that no-one can answer rationally other than your preferred answer, it’s not really a question.

‘How can X’s be so stupid as to believe B?’ is pretty sure to be starting on the wrong foot.

I myself will not promise to answer just any question put to me, nor even reply to every posting directed to me.

Well, let’s see what happens.

Sincerely,

Kirk

This movie attacks Christianity directly, and the religious institution as a whole indirectly in its first part, and in the other 2 parts goes into a rant about a 9/11 and World Banker conspiracy theory, respectively. But I would like to discuss the first part, that attacks religion.

Now, after I saw the film, I realized that they were actually making some pretty tall claims. If I may condense Part 1 drastically, I will say that they claim that Christianity it its entirety is a complete knock-off of Egyptian theology, as well as pagan theology. They compare Jesus to Horus, and ultimately come to the conclusion that they are one in the same. They indirectly claim that ever religion on the planet share a messiah or savior, all with strikingly similar traits, and are actually based off each other, all based off an astrological event that happens during the winter equinox.

Now, after doing a fair amount of research, I’ve found that many of these claims are either exaggerated, taken out of context, leaps of faith, or fallacies in their entirety.

But I thought I would show it to you guys, and see what you had to say. (I turned this section upside down looking for a thread about the movie, but surprisingly, it never came up.)

Theism has a God who cares & intervenes.
But what would you call sustainment which does not intervene nor care?

Self-Help (Monkey) faiths and Other-Help (Cat) faiths are very different from one and other.
I am not sure where I heard this classification of religions—but it was years ago.  Yet it has served me well.

If an Other-Help believer asks a Self-Help believer if they believe in God, the answer would be meaningless.
If the self-help believer says “Yes”, the other-help believer walks away assuming far too much.  Likewise if the he/she says, “No.”
But then, one has to wonder why they are talking at all, then, I guess.

Take a step further and eat away at the deluded notion of self, then try to answer the question.

Atheists are busy fighting against the myopic pressures of those in the Cat faith.
One does not have to be defined by the interrogator.
Did that make any sense?

Enjoy these VIDEOS of Muslim clerics speaking to other Muslims spreading hate speech - they’ve been doing this long BEFORE 9-11.
http://islamwatchers.blogspot.com

Send your own copy of this open letter to state & local representatives:

“An Open Letter to Politicians and Lawmakers in the United States”
http://nodhimmi.9f.com/

Dhimwit:

“A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity.”
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Dhimwits.htm

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

-- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

http://www.kidsinministry.org/upcomingevents.php

May 15-18
Kids in Ministry Leadership Conference
Leeds, England
City Church Leeds
Ashwood Hall
44A Headingley Lane
Leeds
LS6 2EB
Contact: Kathi Kelly at kathi at citychurchleeds dot net

The purpose of Kids In Ministry International is to impart vision to children and adults of how God sees children as His partners in ministry worldwide. The purpose is also therefore to teach, train, and equip children to do the work of ministry and release them in their giftings and callings.

It is also to teach, train, and equip adults to minister to children, teaching them how to train and release children into the things of the Spirit and to find an active place in the body of Christ in all areas of ministry. Those areas include evangelism, mission, the gifts of the Spirit, worship, hearing the voice of God, prayer, healing the sick, and more.

These purposes are to be accomplished through a variety of forms including but not limited to curriculum, books, other written materials, seminars, conferences, schools of equipping, crusades, outreaches around the world, tapes, videos, and the internet.

More discussion:
Discussion At RDF

Kyu

Enjoy, and check out the ridiculous arguments of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron who make total fools of themselves:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=waVL35Vxnx0 (Does God Exist? Part One)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yWN86TqbjvY (Part Two)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=R20x42p8iCU (Part Three)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xk_YtytBVFY (Part Four)

Pretty sad. I hope the parents get prison time.

Take a look HERE

The Guardian -

According to Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, psychedelic drugs formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times.

WASHINGTON (CNS)—In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons’ Genealogical Society of Utah

Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops’ Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records—such as baptismal documentation—to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members.

Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints—commonly known as Mormons—for more than a century, allowing the church’s faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike Otterson, a spokesman in the church’s Salt Lake City headquarters.

Found HERE