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    <dc:rights>Copyright 2013</dc:rights>
    <dc:date>2013-06-19T07:10:10-05:00</dc:date>
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      <title>Your fearless &#8220;leader&#8221;....</title>
      <link>http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/15966/</link>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1AZHEkmm0g&amp;amp;lc=wFRSGBdX1TwvLArt2ieslAGibLzZXOyInldiIhN0qfA&quot;&gt;Obama Admin&#8217;s Secret Surveillance Policies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/05/18781930&#45;exclusive&#45;cia&#45;didnt&#45;always&#45;know&#45;who&#45;it&#45;was&#45;killing&#45;in&#45;drone&#45;strikes&#45;classified&#45;documents&#45;show?lite&quot;&gt;Obama&#8217;s Drone Policies and the Many Innocent Deaths (which includes children) It Has Caused&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What exactly does it take for people to stop defending this guy? I swear, even if a report came up which said &#8220;Obama is now eating children&#8221;, some of his loyal fans would still find some way to justify it&#8230;..
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      <dc:date>2013-06-07T13:28:45-05:00</dc:date>
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      <title>Mama&#8217;s, Don&#8217;t let your humanists grow up to be soldiers&#8230;</title>
      <link>http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/15957/</link>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;Or they may wind up getting 20 years to life in prison, as is the case with Bradley Manning.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/humanist&#45;manning&#45;wanted&#45;to&#45;lift&#45;fog&#45;of&#45;war/article4782008.ece&quot;&gt;http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/humanist&#45;manning&#45;wanted&#45;to&#45;lift&#45;fog&#45;of&#45;war/article4782008.ece&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On a lighter note (not really) it has already been determined that he was wrongly imprisoned for 127 days by the military, and those 127 days are to come off of whatever sentence he ultimately gets.&amp;nbsp; If the sentence is life, I wonder whether he gets to choose which 127 days that will be.
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      <dc:date>2013-06-04T18:07:13-05:00</dc:date>
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      <title>Guns vs God Fallacies</title>
      <link>http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/15986/</link>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;1)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Guns don&#8217;t kill people; People kill people.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;  Therefore, the medium, guns, have irrelevant effect on the outcome of one&#8217;s intent and doesn&#8217;t determine it&#8217;s effectiveness to meet that goal. But that makes them arbitrary and not essential for any circumstance. So, any militia, being a group of people, don&#8217;t require guns to kill people since they are bound and determined to meet that goal regardless and will succeed without them. Certainly, a hired militia is more determined to get their job done than a single individual who resolves to avenge others with the same end. In fact, not only does a militia have number power, they also have the accepted legitimacy of its country&#8217;s people to act. On the other hand, a lone criminal who chooses to act in such a way lacks the psychological justification of social acceptability to encourage their behavior that a militia has.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Money doesn&#8217;t buy things; People buy things.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;   Therefore, the medium, money, is irrelevant to effect the result of assuring one gets what they want nor their effectiveness to meet the goal of a purchase. But that makes money arbitrary and not essential for any purchase. So any group of people, like a government or a corporation, for instance, don&#8217;t require the medium of money to acquire anything they need. Certainly, a government or corporation is more determined to get what they acquire and will succeed without it. In fact, not only do governments and corporations have quantitative power, they also have the accepted legitimacy of its members to act. On the other hand, a lone criminal who chooses to acquire what they want lack the social and psychological justification of acceptability to encourage them to simply take what they want (steal).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;2) (a)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Constitutional Laws &amp;amp; Amendments are laws that apply perpetually from their original intents and must not be altered because their application is universally effective for all times and places.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Bible&#8217;s Commandments are laws that apply perpetually from their original intents and must not be altered because their application is universally effective for all times and places.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;2) (b)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Constitutional Laws &amp;amp; Amendments are laws that may be re&#45;interpreted to apply to the present cultural time and place even if the original meaning is changed. Then what are in those particular words and symbols used to convey the old meaning that make them absolute and superior if you can simply change its meaning? For example, Adolf Hitler refers to a particular historical character most of us despise today. But in a future time, it may come to be true that we find National Socialism is best understood in people&#8217;s minds as symbolizing a more intolerable character and use the term &#8220;Adolf Hitler&#8221; to map that association to another person. So in more future times, it may be irrelevant to map the name, &#8220;Adolf Hitler&#8221; to a sincere past historical truth. &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;   This is certainly how words naturally evolve. In &lt;b&gt;regards&lt;/b&gt; to the term &lt;b&gt;regard&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt;, meaning, without regards, &lt;i&gt;ir&lt;/i&gt;&lt;b&gt;regard&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; should mean without regardless&#45;ness which in turn should revert to meaning in &lt;b&gt;regards&lt;/b&gt;. But it is competing to overtake its logical implication. So in some future where &#8220;regardless&#8221; then means with specific regards to as &#8220;irregardless&#8221; would then without regards, one in the future who reads someone writing this word from a past document is just to interpret it in their new context even though it can totally not match its original author&#8217;s use.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Bible&#8217;s Commandments are laws that may be re&#45;interpreted to apply to the present cultural time and place even if the original meaning is corrupted or changed. Then what are in those particular words and symbols used to convey the old meaning that make them absolute and superior if you can simply change its meaning? For example, Jesus Christ was originally a title, meaning something akin to &#8220;I am the God&#8221; (Je Zeus) who is &#8220;The King of Man&#8221; (Christos = the/an &lt;i&gt;anno&lt;/i&gt;inted one, a person officially &lt;i&gt;anno&lt;/i&gt;unced King or Ceasar). Now, it became the name of this originally unspecified individual. &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;  &amp;nbsp; This is certainly how religion has evolved. In the interpretation of the &lt;i&gt;Salvation of Christ&lt;/i&gt;, originally, this salvation referred to the fact that since he was supposedly understood to be the Messiah that the Jewish Testament prophesied to appear at the end of all time and re&#45;animate all the select dead to rebirth for eternal life in a renewed paradise on Earth, &lt;i&gt;but&lt;/i&gt; the end of all time doesn&#8217;t seem to transpire, the death of Jesus was to represent that he chose to sacrifice his eternal Earthly presence to create an alter&#45;reality where Paradise does still exist (heaven) for those chosen people. The &#8216;saving&#8217; was necessary as a function to withdraw God&#8217;s initial eternal punishment of permanent death that he cursed mankind for the original sin&#8212;choosing to know wisdom for themselves by the act of eating the apple from the Tree of Wisdom.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;  No doubt, even First Sin may have been the &#8216;secular&#8217; explanation for why humans alone have reasoning over other animals, to tame and domesticate plants and animals and must yet struggle to survive with the inevitable end in dying for what seems at odds for their apparent supremacy. &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;  But this has now evolved into something completely different since the Reformation. Since the protestant movement was a protest against the fact that a human clergy was the go&#45;between and authority on or to God, set off finally when the Pope decided to sell indulgences to assure anyone&#8217;s passage to heaven if they can afford it, the post interpretation of &lt;i&gt;Salvation&lt;/i&gt; evolved into the concept that only through Jesus (as opposed to a clergy or human authority) could anyone gain the privilege of being chosen to go to heaven upon death. Today this has absurdly been reduced to thinking that simply choosing to believe, even without good works, that Jesus will save you a place in eternity and that his sacrifice was not to resolve Original Sin but everyone&#8217;s present sins. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;3)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Where there&#8217;s a will, there&#8217;s a way; Where there&#8217;s a way, there&#8217;s the will (wish fulfilled).&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;   So if you presently hate someone so much that you imagine, even to deep fantasy, that you&#8217;d desire to kill them, there is always a way and therefore, you will always act and succeed at killing them. Transitively, this means that your thoughts always assure the reality. The fans of the NRA are certain to be superior intellects at the power of such positive thinking considering they love to collect guns because they are assured that this easily conquered world knows that everything will always turn out for the best; Even vengeful intolerant governments could never exist because that just isn&#8217;t what they will it. They assure us that they really believe this because they can assure us that even the majority, if not all, criminals have this innate drive and superiority to assure that they always succeed. Okay, so the guy couldn&#8217;t initially get a job at McDonald&#8217;s because he just didn&#8217;t suit their expected qualifications. But his magnificent ability to match his superior will with results and positive thinking assures us that he&#8217;ll qualify when he comes in with his wiser idea to bring in a gun next time as a persuasive tool of self&#45;determination. But when he comes in, another thought comes to him&#8230;why don&#8217;t I just skip to the next step and just ask for an advance up front? Wisdom by such &#8216;criminals&#8217; even supersedes the will of those self&#45;made millionaires who are stupid enough to continue showing up for work!&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;  So, like the NRA gun supporters, their ability to mostly or always succeed at their strongest desire, even if that means killing someone, a criminal always gets what they want. I&#8217;m sure no criminal is stupid enough to ever get caught and end up in jail. As well, gun supporters really don&#8217;t fear that a reckless nor intolerant government could ever overpower them because they believe that if anyone is always certain to determine their outcome like a criminal determined to kill with or without a gun, they are confident that they can kill a bad government with or without a gun themselves!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where there&#8217;s a bill to pay, everyone always pays their bill.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;4)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Someone like a cool looking dude wielding a gun or fifty is more authoritative and trustworthy and less threatening than any old lady in a wheelchair without one who may merely hold some lousy criminal psychology degree but totes a bag with knitting needles beside her. After all, even if she doesn&#8217;t use the needles to slowly stab you to death, she has such powers to call up her friend, the Senator with her sweet words and have the authorities take down your whole fucking family if you piss her off!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you want to learn to be a good citizen and avoid a life of crime, would it be wiser to consult fifty convicted criminals with their expertise at criminal experience, or one simpleton do&#45;gooder who likes to do dumb charity work and is &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; so fucking happy?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;5)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Hunting is a necessary conventional sport and requires a gun. It&#8217;s always good to know that the nature of a true person is demonstrated with such artistry, skill, and courage to go out in the woods with a picnic basket of prepared sandwiches from the spouse and a case of beer, pick a spot in the middle of the preservation that assures the deer population is sufficient enough to supply the sportsmen in season and pick off a calf from a safe distance. Nintendo Wii is child&#8217;s play&#8230;there&#8217;s no kickback when you pull the trigger. And you don&#8217;t get that satisfaction of ripping apart a dead corpse and feel that power exuding through your own veins after a fresh kill. At least you can assure yourself that you killed the animal compassionately. Or was it because the adrenaline makes it taste bad on a slow kill?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Eating popcorn at the movies is an essential conventional recreation and requires lots of real butter and hopefully, a real date. It&#8217;s always good to know that the true nature of a person is demonstrated with such artistry, skill, and courage to ask your best friend&#8217;s girl on a date loaded with goodies from the snack bar, and ...oh risky, you snuck in a little whiskey to top off your cokes. You pick a spot at the back of the theater so you can make out while the ushers safely keep an eye out for anyone sneaking in the back door. Watching porn at home alone is child&#8217;s play&#8230;there&#8217;s no kickback when you pull your trigger. And you don&#8217;t get that satisfaction of ripping your best friend&#8217;s girl away from him feeling the power exuding through your own vein when you get her home to bed. At least you can assure yourself that he&#8217;d do the same to you. Or is this just the adrenaline speaking?
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      <title>Interesting Statistics</title>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;Number,of Americans killed by guns in 2012: 32,000.  Center for Disease Control.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Number of Americans killed by terrorists in 2012: 10.  Wall Street Journal.
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      <dc:date>2013-06-13T18:57:23-05:00</dc:date>
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      <title>Gun control &#45; again</title>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;In the past two days there have been two cases of four year olds who shot ( in on case killed) someone with a gun that was carelessly left around. That&#8217;s reason alone to reconsider the number of guns in our society, but this &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/lone&#45;star&#45;stabbing&#45;184840929.html&quot;&gt;STORY&lt;/a&gt; grabbed my attention today. Gun advocates are fond of saying the guns dont kill people, people kill people but look at this story and contrast it with what happened at Georgia tech or in Sandy Hook. This individual didnt have gun, just a knife. yes there were 14 people injured but the point is they were &#8220;injured&#8221;. There are 14 people for the ER to take care of not 14 bodies for the coroner to examine.
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      <dc:date>2013-04-09T12:47:03-05:00</dc:date>
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      <title>Cuccinelli U&#45;turns on restoring voting rights to non&#45;violent felons</title>
      <link>http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/15956/</link>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2013/jun/03/ken&#45;cuccinelli/cuccinelli&#45;u&#45;turns&#45;restoring&#45;voting&#45;rights&#45;non&#45;vio/&quot;&gt;http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2013/jun/03/ken&#45;cuccinelli/cuccinelli&#45;u&#45;turns&#45;restoring&#45;voting&#45;rights&#45;non&#45;vio/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I tend to fall on the side of liberal arguments, but I feel that it&#8217;s worth giving props to Republicans who make a good moral choice contrary to official party posturing. In this case, this Virginian Republican Attorney General switched positions on allowing convicted felons to vote after finishing their sentencing, citing &#8220;felony creep.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would go farther, that people should be able to vote while in prison, too. But IMHO it&#8217;s a step in the right direction.
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      <dc:date>2013-06-04T10:47:35-05:00</dc:date>
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      <title>Should employers be allowed to opt out of offering treatments they object to&#63;</title>
      <link>http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/15918/</link>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;There is a challenge in the courts right now from several companies that want protection from a part of the ACA that requires employers to cover the morning after pill. I could go into the ignorance behind this complaint ( ie: that the pill induces an abortion &#45; it does not) but the real question is whether we should allow exemptions at all. What if a company were owned by the Jahova&#8217;s Witnesses. Should they be allowed to deny coverage for blood transfusions to their employees? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just one more reason why we need universal coverage. Its just another example of insanity in the existing system. You may have serious gaps in  your coverage depending on who you work for and you may not even know it.
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      <dc:date>2013-05-23T13:47:19-05:00</dc:date>
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      <title>Tornado Conspiracy: We knew it would happen</title>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;You Just KNEW There Would Be &#8216;Tornado Truthers,&#8217; Didn&#8217;t You? by Jason Linkins Lest you think that the Boston Marathon bombing had brought America to peak Trutherism, rest assured, we are nowhere near that point yet. Because, naturally, the Alex Jones conspiracy set is pretty sure that the tornadoes that hit Moore, Okla. were probably maybe some sort of &#8220;false flag&#8221; event, brought on by the &#8220;weather weapons&#8221; that of course the federal government has at its disposal, for the purpose of ... incurring massively expensive disasters on ourselves? This probably makes sense to somebody.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Conspiracy talk show host Alex Jones, increasingly a favorite of conservative media for his extremely vocal support of gun rights, outed himself Tuesday as a tornado truther by telling a caller on his show, “Of course there’s weather weapons stuff going on.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jones, a longtime proponent of the idea that the U.S. government can manipulate and even produce weather systems like tornadoes and hurricanes, went on to say that if people saw helicopters or small aircraft in the area, then “you better bet your bottom dollar they did this.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“But, who knows if they did?” he asked. “You know, that’s the thing. We don’t know.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As Max Rivlin&#45;Nadler points out, conspiracy theorists who believe in &#8220;weather weapons&#8221; primarily focus their paranoid worries on HAARP&#8212;the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, not the Muse album of the same name (though Muse frontman Matt Bellamy has similar fixations). The program is &#8220;a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere, with particular emphasis on being able to understand and use it to enhance communications and surveillance systems for both civilian and defense purposes.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As HAARP draws funding from the U.S. Air Force and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (the folks what brought you the Internet!), it seems only logical to conclude that HAARP is actually being used to manipulate the weather and cause hurricanes&#8212;if by &#8220;logical to conclude&#8221; you mean, &#8220;left alone in a room filling with some sort of gas that makes your brain feel all wibbly&#45;wobbly.&#8221;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Normally, you&#8217;d see people sort of decrying the toxic influence of Jones and his ilk, but in a counterintuitive way, I like to see Jones&#8217; continued existence as evidence of the fact that a certain baseline of charity and prosperity still exists in America, that accommodates the notion that one can be a crazy conspiracy nutter as your job, in the same way a few people can make their living as &#8220;ghost hunters.&#8221; Had Jones been an original Jamestown colonist, his colleagues would have probably greeted his ravings with a genial, &#8220;Shut up and farm something, nutsauce, we are dying&#8230;.&#8221;
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      <dc:date>2013-05-23T08:33:27-05:00</dc:date>
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      <title>Obama&#8217;s EPA Makes A Rad Decision &#45; to significantly relax radiation standards</title>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;Unlike some of the issues surrounding &lt;i&gt;human forced global warming&lt;/i&gt; that I&#8217;m familiar with and willing to discuss/debate to the end of the world as we know it.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;
This issue, not so sure.&amp;nbsp; Still worth posting and seeing if it warrants any discussion.&amp;nbsp; Maybe I&#8217;ll even learn something new.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Forbes Mag | James Conca | May 19. 2013&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/05/19/obamas&#45;epa&#45;makes&#45;a&#45;rad&#45;decision/&quot;&gt;http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/05/19/obamas&#45;epa&#45;makes&#45;a&#45;rad&#45;decision/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Obama Administration made a bold and correct scientific decision last month to allow risk&#45;based decisions to guide responses to radiological events like a dirty bomb attack or a nuclear reactor accident. And not to treat it like a superfund site. This is very important because, in such events, the normal response can be worse than the event itself for many of those affected.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Environmental Protection Agency and Gina McCarthy, President Obama’s nominee to head that agency, quickly came under attack for releasing draft guidelines last month that could significantly relax evacuation triggers, drinking water and cleanup standards, and decisions about who becomes a refugee, in the case of a radiological event in the United States.&amp;nbsp; The draft is a revision of the Protective Action Guideline (PAG) that makes recommendations on how to respond to a large release of radioactive material into the environment.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;EPA had tried to issue a similar version of the PAG during the waning days of Bush’s second term (Global Security Newswire), but the new incoming Administration blocked its publication because it sounded like people would be drinking water with radiation levels thousands of times higher than present environmental limits.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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      <title>Can Capitalism overcome the War on Marijuana&#63;</title>
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      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/ex&#45;microsoft&#45;manager&#45;plans&#45;create&#45;first&#45;u&#45;marijuana&#45;191949078.html&quot;&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/ex&#45;microsoft&#45;manager&#45;plans&#45;create&#45;first&#45;u&#45;marijuana&#45;191949078.html&lt;/a&gt;
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      <dc:date>2013-05-30T20:08:19-05:00</dc:date>
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