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Posted: 05 April 2008 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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I think Exodus is one of the best stories to extract environmental conditions from. It is almost a survival manifesto.

Exodus 13 (New International Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=2&chapter=13&version=31

a land flowing with milk and honey—you are to observe this ceremony in this month: 6 For seven days eat bread made without yeast and on the seventh day hold a festival to the LORD. 7 Eat unleavened bread during those seven days; nothing with yeast in it is to be seen among you, nor shall any yeast be seen anywhere within your borders. 8 On that day tell your son, ‘I do this because of what the LORD did for me when I came out of Egypt.’

Let us assume that the great flood of Noah, creation and Moses parting of the Red Sea or Reed Sea are one in the same. After a global flooding event what kind of conditions will a surviving population face? Starvation and lack of fresh clean drinking water.  The bread this passage is describing is commonly reffered to as hardtack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardtack

Pilot bread is a simple type of cracker or biscuit, made from flour, water, and salt. Inexpensive and long-lasting, it is and was used for sustenance in the absence of perishable foods, commonly during long sea voyages and military campaigns.[1] Historically known as hardtack (or hard tack), ship’s biscuit, sea biscuit, sea bread or pejoratively dog biscuit, the name derives from the British sailor slang for food, “tack”, and the crackers or biscuits have been called “tooth dullers”, “sheet iron” or “molar breakers”.[2]
Because it is so hard and dry, properly stored and transported hardtack will survive rough handling and endure extremes of temperature.

‘I do this because of what the LORD did for me when I came out of Egypt.’

Now here is a suggestion that this event has been experienced once before.

By day the LORD went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night. 22 Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people.

Following the great flood water would absorb the suns energy and decrease the ozone level in the upper ATM. This is because ozone is created by incoming and outgoing radiation and reflection.  So the interpretation is YOU can travel during the day but only under the clouds and at night with fire.

The Egyptians you see today you will never see again. 14 The LORD will fight for you; you need only to be still.”

The interpretation here is that the other groups following the flood did not have the environmental information and they will perish on their own from a lack of survival knowledge. The word still indicates that they must wait for the conditions to change and not fight the environmental elements.

The pillar of cloud also moved from in front and stood behind them, 20 coming between the armies of Egypt and Israel. Throughout the night the cloud brought darkness to the one side and light to the other side; so neither went near the other all night long.
21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided, 22 and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.

I am assuming here that the Ring of Ice that caused the great flood would make half of the sky dark and the other half light. Similar to a Tsunami, the ocean waters first retracts into the sea in the form of a supper tide just prior to the first waves coming ashore. It is very common for people to run down to the ocean at this time to pick up fish, and within minutes be hit by a wall of water.

30 That day the LORD saved Israel from the hands of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians lying dead on the shore…………….. When Pharaoh’s horses, chariots and horsemen [d] went into the sea, the LORD brought the waters of the sea back over them

The Egyptians ran into the sea to grab fish and got hit by a Tsunami.

When they came to Marah, they could not drink its water because it was bitter. (That is why the place is called Marah. [e] ) 24 So the people grumbled against Moses, saying, “What are we to drink?”

Following the great flood fresh drinking water would be hard to find.

25 Then Moses cried out to the LORD, and the LORD showed him a piece of wood. He threw it into the water, and the water became sweet.

Possibly a filtration of water to remove the silt and salt.

27 Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs and seventy palm trees, and they camped there near the water.

Fresh drinking water found. Good to go.

I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions.

At this point what there is to eat is coconuts from the palm trees but it is important that they are rationed between the group. You will only need to eat enough to survive the environmental hardship.

14 When the dew was gone, thin flakes like frost on the ground appeared on the desert floor. 15 When the Israelites saw it, they said to each other, “What is it?” For they did not know what it was.

Now Exodus is just flat-out telling the reader that the Ring of Ice had fallen out of the sky.
13 That evening quail came and covered the camp, and in the morning there was a layer of dew around the camp.

Birds will find the fresh water.

9 Then Moses said to them, “No one is to keep any of it until morning.”
20 However, some of them paid no attention to Moses; they kept part of it until morning, but it was full of maggots and began to smell. So Moses was angry with them.

No fire wood so the birds could not be smoked and preserve. The raw meat would be bad as soon as a fly landed on it.

34 As the LORD commanded Moses, Aaron put the manna in front of the Testimony, that it might be kept. 35 The Israelites ate manna forty years, until they came to a land that was settled; they ate manna until they reached the border of Canaan.

It is suggesting here not to tell that the hardtack was important to the diet and was required to survive the event. Continue to eat it in a tradition in case it is required again in the future so you will survive once again and everyone else will die. 2008 and still keeping their mouths shut

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Posted: 05 April 2008 03:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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That’s nice H2onE2, except the Great Flood in the Bible is a rewrite of the Babylonian Flood story, set to the Hebrew culture.  It never happened nor was there ever a great flood that covered the whole earth.  It is just a story, not literal.  Look into the previous flood stories prior to when Exodus was written and you will see that it is just rewrite.  You can start this search by reading Victor Matthews book Old Testament Parallels.  He is a Religious professor and academic at Missouri State University as well as an Episcopalian.  There is no actual history to that story and it is not actually a survival guide, even if you can find things that are helpful for survival.  It is not a prophesy for anything either.

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Posted: 05 April 2008 07:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Mriana - 05 April 2008 03:47 PM

That’s nice H2onE2, except the Great Flood in the Bible is a rewrite of the Babylonian Flood story, set to the Hebrew culture.  It never happened nor was there ever a great flood that covered the whole earth.  It is just a story, not literal.  Look into the previous flood stories prior to when Exodus was written and you will see that it is just rewrite.  You can start this search by reading Victor Matthews book Old Testament Parallels.  He is a Religious professor and academic at Missouri State University as well as an Episcopalian.  There is no actual history to that story and it is not actually a survival guide, even if you can find things that are helpful for survival.  It is not a prophesy for anything either.

Religious professor lie and because he is from some University people believe him; I don’t

Excerpts from the book:http://www.H2onE2.com Glacial Respiration, Conceptual Ring of Ice, The End of Linear Western ReligionA Geological Exploration of an E2 Earthen Planet And the H2 Human SpeciesAuthor: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist

What science has discovered is a major Holocene extinction event, which included the disappearance of large mammals at the last ice age approximately 10,000-years ago.  The extinctions, taking place near the Pleistocene / Holocene boundary, sometimes are referred to as the Ice Age extinction event. Biologists have well documented the disappearance of 70% of all mammals living on E2 prior to the Ice Age extinction event. Equally important Geologist have confirmed a period of water erosion that is unprecedented during this same time frame. H2onE2 is the explanation and combination of all disciplines to explain both the Ice Age extinction event and the extraordinary water erosion event into one theory. This theory can only be explained by build up of ice at great quantities into the upper atmosphere.

I covered that in my video Pyramid and Eye Secret Solved. The oldest creation story dates back to the Sumerians and they lived during the early Bronze Age. It was called Ziusudra.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1073586/pyramid_and_eye_secret_solved/

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At 485 ft, the Great Pyramids of Giza were built to survive more then just Nile Delta flooding.
They were built to protect the king from a catastrophic Climate event.
On the scale of Noah or similar to the myth of Atlantis
Comparable to the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh
Of which, all seem to take root in the early Bronze Age, from a Sumerian tale of Ziusudra
In fact, the Egyptians had their own story.
According to one Egyptian legend, the world began with an ocean of darkness.
the sun God rose from the mud as a sacred blue lotus.
Another version has, A mound of dry land emerging and the sun god, Amon-Ra, re appearing.

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Posted: 05 April 2008 07:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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No, he didn’t lie about the Christian flood story being yet another version of older flood stories nor did he lie that it’s just a story.  Even scientifically, there has never been a world wide flood.

Interesting you brought up Amen/Ammon/Amon-Ra too- the light of the world.  Ah, but I won’t go into that, because it is subject of great controversy even here.

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Posted: 05 April 2008 09:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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H2’s posts are ridiculous. They have nothing to do with what this group is about.

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Posted: 05 April 2008 09:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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PLaClair - 05 April 2008 09:27 PM

H2’s posts are ridiculous. They have nothing to do with what this group is about.

I have never heard ridiculous used as a scientific or professional interpretation. If my posts are ridiculous than your great knowledge of the world should be able to make me look ridiculous. Feel free to try and make me look ridiculous.

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Posted: 05 April 2008 09:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Mriana - 05 April 2008 07:29 PM

No, he didn’t lie about the Christian flood story being yet another version of older flood stories nor did he lie that it’s just a story.  Even scientifically, there has never been a world wide flood.

Interesting you brought up Amen/Ammon/Amon-Ra too- the light of the world.  Ah, but I won’t go into that, because it is subject of great controversy even here.

Do you believe in scientific fossils?

The ammonite lives on the surface and inland oceans, eating algae, seaweed and surface plankton.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1134/is_6_108/ai_55127874

During the Cretaceous, long-necked plesiosaurs, carnivorous marine reptiles known as mosasaurs, and giant fish and turtles plied the waters of a seaway that covered much of western North America. Stretching from what is now Utah to Missouri and from the Gulf of Mexico to the Arctic Ocean, the Western Interior Sea was also home to ammonites. These mobile, predatory cephalopods--whose modern relatives include the squid, octopus, cuttlefish, and chambered nautilus--ranged from less than a quarter inch to more than two yards in diameter. They filled a variety of marine niches until their demise 65 million years ago. Their fossils are, to my mind, every bit as exciting as those of their vertebrate contemporaries.

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Posted: 05 April 2008 10:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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It still was not a world-wide flood.

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Posted: 05 April 2008 10:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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How else could the water get deposited there?

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Posted: 06 April 2008 06:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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rolleyes  How did the Missouri and Mississippi rivers get where they are?  The world-wide theory has no scientific fact to it.

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Posted: 06 April 2008 05:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Large river systems like the Mississippi rivers usually follow a fault or fracture line in a plate. I do know the Mississippi is following an active fracture zone. During the 1800’s this zone experienced a massive structural slip and the Mississippi river ran the wrong way for days. Not sure about the Missouri river. Where is it? Just kidding.

I googled this (Missouri river fracture zone) and found this.....

http://daac.gsfc.nasa.gov/geomorphology/GEO_12/index.shtml

The Missouri River roughly divides the left and right sides of the image. ...... and Blanck Fracture Zone off the Washington Coast.

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Posted: 06 April 2008 08:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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It’s the New Madrid Fault along the Mississippi River.

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Posted: 06 April 2008 09:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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I am not buying a condo in Saint Louis. The center of the continent is made of hard igneous rock and will vibrate like a finely tuned guitar sting. The building codes in California are not even good enough to hand what will happen there. We have literal engineered a disaster.

There is only one way to solve that mess and it will require getting everybody outside and exploding the stresses to relieve the rock strain at the compressional stress fractures.

Do it soon and every 100 years.

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Posted: 27 April 2008 09:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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goodthink - 22 January 2008 01:21 PM

The problem with OT prophecy is 5 fold.
2) No particular prophecy is ever mentioned. The Gospel writers say things, like, ‘It was written’ or ‘So you have heard’. The problem is that there was no Jewish Bible until after the Christians made their own.

I’m not sure where you got this idea, but it is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

The Septuagint was the commonly used Greek version of the Hebrew Bible that was common in the time of the writers of the NT. There are even NT citations of the OT that include translation errors that occur in the Septuagint.

Before criticizing the Bible, we need to understand it first. Using arguments like this embolden fundamentalists by enforcing their assumption that people who reject the Bible just don’t want to understand it.

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Posted: 28 April 2008 07:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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H2onE2 - 05 April 2008 07:02 PM

At 485 ft, the Great Pyramids of Giza were built to survive more then just Nile Delta flooding.  They were built to protect the king from a catastrophic Climate event.
On the scale of Noah or similar to the myth of Atlantis

Really?  Are you saying the pyramids were built before Noah’s flood?  The pyramids are lined with limestone, which would have dissolved if covered in water!

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