advocatus - 28 April 2008 07:12 AM

H2onE2 - 05 April 2008 07:02 PM

At 485 ft, the Great Pyramids of Giza were built to survive more then just Nile Delta flooding.  They were built to protect the king from a catastrophic Climate event.
On the scale of Noah or similar to the myth of Atlantis

Really?  Are you saying the pyramids were built before Noah’s flood?  The pyramids are lined with limestone, which would have dissolved if covered in water!

The pyramids were build as a response to the stories of Noah, Gilgismah, Atlantis. Similar to why we build bomb shelters. Not because we get hit with bombs but in case we get hit with a nuclear bomb.

H2onE2 - 28 April 2008 07:25 AM

The pyramids were build as a response to the stories of Noah, Gilgismah, Atlantis. Similar to why we build bomb shelters. Not because we get hit with bombs but in case we get hit with a nuclear bomb.

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting your information from? Which secondary sources are you using? Which primary sources?

Do you know when the pyramids were built? Do you know roughly when the myth of Noah was written? When Gilgamesh was written? When the myth of Atlantis began?

dmoreau - 27 April 2008 09:14 PM

goodthink - 22 January 2008 01:21 PM

The problem with OT prophecy is 5 fold.
2) No particular prophecy is ever mentioned. The Gospel writers say things, like, ‘It was written’ or ‘So you have heard’. The problem is that there was no Jewish Bible until after the Christians made their own.

I’m not sure where you got this idea, but it is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

The Septuagint was the commonly used Greek version of the Hebrew Bible that was common in the time of the writers of the NT. There are even NT citations of the OT that include translation errors that occur in the Septuagint.

Before criticizing the Bible, we need to understand it first. Using arguments like this embolden fundamentalists by enforcing their assumption that people who reject the Bible just don’t want to understand it.

Fundamentalists is the fanaticism of religious beliefs. I am a geologist and have no beliefs. I am not criticizing the Bible but exploring it for any knowledge of environmental change.

It is kind of funny because the evolutionist come to the conclusion that I support and justify the bible and the religious people believe I am criticizing it.

Well the one thing that is sure is I am making my next video on Exodus and it will piss everyone off.

dougsmith - 28 April 2008 07:32 AM

H2onE2 - 28 April 2008 07:25 AM

The pyramids were build as a response to the stories of Noah, Gilgismah, Atlantis. Similar to why we build bomb shelters. Not because we get hit with bombs but in case we get hit with a nuclear bomb.

Just out of curiosity, where are you getting your information from? Which secondary sources are you using? Which primary sources?

Do you know when the pyramids were built? Do you know roughly when the myth of Noah was written? When Gilgamesh was written? When the myth of Atlantis began?

All these things are considered common and available knowledge. The requirements to reference this basic information does not exist. I have constructed massive timelines in my book. This timeline concerns the accepted dates of religious events. I needed to provide the dates before I reject them and rebuild a timeline that follows the environmental evidence; extinction events, erosion, sedimentation and altered global climates.

Excerpts from the book:http://www.H2onE2.com Glacial Respiration, Conceptual Ring of Ice, The End of Linear Western ReligionA Geological Exploration of an E2 Earthen Planet And the H2 Human SpeciesAuthor: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist

Chronicles of the Jew in the Gentile Calendar
3761 BC Estimated Date of Creation.
2705 BC Noah and the Flood.
1313 BC The Exodus, Moses leads his people from Egyptian rule.
1272 BC The Jews enter the Land of Israel.
907 BC King David born.
849 BC King Solomon born.
833 BC King Solomon builds the Holy of Holies.
422 BC Destruction of the first Temple, Judah exiled to Babylon. End of the first temple period.
352 BC Holy Temple rebuilt. End of Era of Prophecy and beginning of Mishnaic Era.  Second Temple period.
333-63 BC Hellenistic Conquest by Alexander the Great.
63-313 AD The Roman army led by Titus conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple in 70 AD. Jewish people were then exiled and dispersed to the Diaspora.

OK, so you don’t have any sources then. Just checking.

I don’t need any because I did not use anyones research. I only used basic college 100 and 200 level books. Is there some specific material you want me to source?

H2onE2 - 28 April 2008 10:01 AM

I don’t need any because I did not use anyones research. I only used basic college 100 and 200 level books. Is there some specific material you want me to source?

Those 100 and 200 level books would be sources. You can give references from those to start.

dmoreau - 28 April 2008 10:13 AM

H2onE2 - 28 April 2008 10:01 AM

I don’t need any because I did not use anyones research. I only used basic college 100 and 200 level books. Is there some specific material you want me to source?

Those 100 and 200 level books would be sources. You can give references from those to start.

I have over 500 of these books and my subject covers a broad range of subjects.

What 100 and 200 level books are you reading?  I’d like to know what book you rely upon to set the estimated date of creation at 3761BC and how you know the date when Noah’s flood occurred. 

Further, because I like history, I happen to know that Alexander the Great lived from 357 or 356 BC to 323 BC.  Please cite the book upon which you relied to say he lived from 363 BC to 333 BC.  If you actually have a book that says that, throw it away, if they can’t get Alexander the Great’s birth and death right there are probably myriad errors. 

Last, if Earth was created in 3761 BC, please give me the dates for the Age of Dinosaurs including the year they died out.  I would really like to know who you can cite regarding the dinosaurs and man (the Flintstones are only loosely based on history so they do not count as a cite).

JRM5001 - 29 April 2008 08:52 AM

What 100 and 200 level books are you reading?  I’d like to know what book you rely upon to set the estimated date of creation at 3761BC and how you know the date when Noah’s flood occurred. 

Further, because I like history, I happen to know that Alexander the Great lived from 357 or 356 BC to 323 BC.  Please cite the book upon which you relied to say he lived from 363 BC to 333 BC.  If you actually have a book that says that, throw it away, if they can’t get Alexander the Great’s birth and death right there are probably myriad errors. 

Last, if Earth was created in 3761 BC, please give me the dates for the Age of Dinosaurs including the year they died out.  I would really like to know who you can cite regarding the dinosaurs and man (the Flintstones are only loosely based on history so they do not count as a cite).

It was a Monk commissioned by Pope John I in the sixth-century. You do not classically source this kind of work that is considered common and available knowledge.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac33
The creation is said to take place in a year corresponding to 3761 BC. The years subsequent to that date are given the prefix AM (Anno Mundi, Year of the World). AM 5760 (often written also as 5760 AM) is the same as AD 2000.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac33
An Italian monk, Dionysius Exiguus, is commissioned by the pope in AD 525 to work out a Christian chronology. Using earlier tables, he concludes that Jesus Christ was born in the Roman year 753 AUC. He therefore proposes that the Christian era begins at the start of the following year. 1 January 754 AUC becomes 1 January AD 1.

If you like Alexander the great then you ”have” to read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Renault

(July 20 356 BC – June 10 323 BC) These are the dates of Alex. It is possible that I suffer from dyslexia but my work is not about Alex and the Greeks. I am a geologist and my book was designed to discover the 3rd dimension of environmental science. Something called altitude, relief and topography. I reached beyond the flat earth and discovered a suspended Ring of Ice that grows during glacial winter. Further I connected the Ring of Ice as the source of the great flood, myth, history and religion.

I performed my own edit so it is possible I have small insignificant mistakes in dates or spelling. This is something one man can not get totally perfect. I am not a publishing corporation that maintains a team or department of editors.

wow

Not all sources are reputable sources. That is why people like to hear where you are getting your information from, especially if the information is… well… surprising.

I’m not convinced that your persona isn’t just manufactured to play a joke on us as you laugh at everyone who takes the posts seriously, but maybe I am naive.

JRM5001 - 29 April 2008 11:13 AM

wow

333-63 BC Hellenistic Conquest by Alexander the Great.
This date is the period when the Greeks were in and influencing the lands now in the hands of Israel. Not the birth and death of Alex. I connected the Hellenistic period to the impotent figure, which influence extended beyond his life.

Chronicles of the Jew in the Gentile Calendar
3761 BC Estimated Date of Creation.
2705 BC Noah and the Flood.
1313 BC The Exodus, Moses leads his people from Egyptian rule.
1272 BC The Jews enter the Land of Israel.
907 BC King David born.
849 BC King Solomon born.
833 BC King Solomon builds the Holy of Holies.
422 BC Destruction of the first Temple, Judah exiled to Babylon. End of the first temple period.
352 BC Holy Temple rebuilt. End of Era of Prophecy and beginning of Mishnaic Era.  Second Temple period.
333-63 BC Hellenistic Conquest by Alexander the Great.
63-313 AD The Roman army led by Titus conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple in 70 AD. Jewish people were then exiled and dispersed to the Diaspora.

dmoreau - 29 April 2008 11:23 AM

Not all sources are reputable sources. That is why people like to hear where you are getting your information from, especially if the information is… well… surprising.

I’m not convinced that your persona isn’t just manufactured to play a joke on us as you laugh at everyone who takes the posts seriously, but maybe I am naive.

I joke about everything mostly for my entertainment but I do not like to insult people that are willing to learn and grow. I am currently attempting to make a serious video and all I can think about is the funnest things to add. Also, I think this current generation gets most of their news and social commentaries from the Family Guy and the Simpson’s, not the news. My videos are using entertainment to project an additional level of education of which, probably half of the people will not take me seriously.

My information might seem surprising but it makes perfect sense. It was also much harder to piece it all together but “we wont be fooled again”.

Hi,

Just checking all my post to make sure I have answered everything.

billy