Mriana,
It’s nice to finally “talk” with you. For me, you are sort of the Simon Cowell around here in the sense that you often say what I’m thinking - but I don’t say it.
I hope that’s a good thing.
Education seems the answer to everything doesn’t it? Supplanting superstition is very difficult and takes generations. In the mean time what do you do, nothing? I like that Texas (of all places) is encouraging communities to get involved in getting medical attention for children, but what about the “isolationists” as described in the current article? In such cases, the deed is done with very few people around and educational prophylactics are too late. And wrt education, some people don’t take well to education and are convinced everyone else is wrong, period. Just look at the ask a christian thread or the twin towers conspiracy thread. I appreciate that philosophers enjoy such debates, but debating “all-knowing” goats ain’t my cup of tea.
Yes, there are some problems with trying to educate people. There is invariably a problem with every solution, but we have to try something to keep religious abuses, esp to children, down and even elimenate it.
It’s sad that you have seen cancer so up close and personal. I agree that prayer is a psychological refuge but heck, people can believe whatever they want so long as they do no harm to others. (which includes pushing their superstitions!)
I agree, but what happens to children in the name of religion, even that of that LSD (AKA LDS) group in TX, needs to be stopped. This is abuse and not the sort that Dawkins talks about. This goes far and beyond that.
If you aren’t Christ, call a doctor!
Becareful, there is a dude down in Florida (I think that where the cult is) that truly believes he is Jesus Christ.
I think so, but I spent 4 years in New Orleans and like spicey food. Some people prefer McDonalds.
Yes, there are some problems with trying to educate people. There is invariably a problem with every solution, but we have to try something to keep religious abuses, esp to children, down and even eliminate it.
Agreed. Still, what would you do today with the couple who let their daughter die? That’s the question.
Becareful, there is a dude down in Florida (I think that where the cult is) that truly believes he is Jesus Christ.
Oh jeeez. Seriously, that’s a matter of a mental disorder and quite different from the couple who let their child die (some would say killed their child).
Yes, there are some problems with trying to educate people. There is invariably a problem with every solution, but we have to try something to keep religious abuses, esp to children, down and even eliminate it.
Agreed. Still, what would you do today with the couple who let their daughter die? That’s the question.
Send them to jail for a few years and let those people deal with them. They probably won’t want to let another child die again. Yes, I can be sadistic even though I’m a pacifist and if those convicts see letting a child die right up there with child sexual abuse, well those parents will be miserable during their stay. The only difference is one kills the “soul” and the other kills physically.
Becareful, there is a dude down in Florida (I think that where the cult is) that truly believes he is Jesus Christ.
Oh jeeez. Seriously, that’s a matter of a mental disorder and quite different from the couple who let their child die (some would say killed their child).
Well given that they could be mentally ill too, there is a possibility they would take that dude’s word for it. No telling what crazy thing they would believe.
Oh jeeez. Seriously, that’s a matter of a mental disorder and quite different from the couple who let their child die (some would say killed their child).
No, actually it appears to be yet another excuse to (sexually and otherwise) abuse susceptible women and their children. Why, oh why, does the fact that you are a self styled ‘prophet’ or ‘god’ or reincarnation of ‘Jesus’ give you a pass to convince women that this is justification abuse them and their hapless, helpless children??
As far as the diabetic girl dying of DKA, WHERE were her other family members and neighbors? SOME ONE HAD to see that this poor girl was becoming more and more ill!
You would be surprised how many children I have seen come through the doors of my unit, where the parents have depended upon alternative treatments (including prayer) for their children who have diseases in various stages of curability. They usually come to their senses and bring the child in before they are dead, but sometimes we are unable to cure them, but in that case, they feel that it is okay, because it was ‘Gods will’, rather than their own poor judgment (and I believe that if this happens once, it is still one too many).
I don’t have much faith (ha ha) in education curing this problem, first you have to get past the rationalization of ‘Gods will’ ‘in a better place with Jesus’ etc.
...and last of all, WHY do you need a license and training to drive a 1.5 ton vehicle down the road, but any idiot can create, give birth to, raise, and ruin any number of children?
Let the law take its course. I imagine all aspects of the case will be explored. In cases like this, the law is all you have, really, and hopefully it would be tempered with mercy. These people seem very ignorant.
Let me think of something else. If a young person shot himself because he was playing with a gun left unsecured by his father. The father could be considered remiss in leaving the gun around. Is that a crime in the US? Do you have to lock guns away? Would the father be charged with criminal neglect, or would the death of his son be regarded as an accident?
I am relieved that we have to trust the law to deliver whatever ‘justice’ is in the case of the young woman and her parents.
Does anyone know if there has been a similar case where the family has used homeopathy or another ‘alternative treatment’ other than prayer, to treat a child who subsequently died?I can’t think of one.
Unless there were a specific law regarding the storage of guns or an outright ban as in DC, it would probably not be pursued. As a practical matter, you have to get a prosecutor (most of whom are elected) to decide to press charges which would be difficult.
I don’t think your analogy applies to the praying parents though. A gun left carelessly out is one thing, but recognizing that the child is dying and then doing nothing to prevent death is a long, measured response. One is much more likely to get in trouble for a pattern of behavior than for a momentary lapse.
It will be interesting to see what if anything happens. If charges were filed, the couple would undoubtedly use the 1st Amendment as a shield. If I were the prosecutor, I think I would argue that the 1st Amendment does not allow for the unfettered practice of religion. For example, polygamy has been banned in every state even though this marital construct comes out of mormon teachings.
Unless there were a specific law regarding the storage of guns or an outright ban as in DC, it would probably not be pursued. As a practical matter, you have to get a prosecutor (most of whom are elected) to decide to press charges which would be difficult.
I don’t think your analogy applies to the praying parents though. A gun left carelessly out is one thing, but recognizing that the child is dying and then doing nothing to prevent death is a long, measured response. One is much more likely to get in trouble for a pattern of behavior than for a momentary lapse.
It will be interesting to see what if anything happens. If charges were filed, the couple would undoubtedly use the 1st Amendment as a shield. If I were the prosecutor, I think I would argue that the 1st Amendment does not allow for the unfettered practice of religion. For example, polygamy has been banned in every state even though this marital construct comes out of mormon teachings.
Sorry for the confusion, I wasn’t referring to your analogy. But (as a PICU RN) every unfortunate ‘accident’ I have seen or heard of where a child has killed himself or another person with an unsecured and loaded gun, there has been no prosecution. As far as I can see, the rationale has always been that the parent ‘has been punished enough’ by the (completely preventable) death of their child’, unless the act has been so egregiously negligent, that it could not be ignored (i.e. felon in possession of an unsecured firearm).
You may disagree with me, but the state of our laws in this instance is suspiciously close to how people were treated 20 years ago where they killed someone while driving drunk (for the 50th time, no less).
Unless there were a specific law regarding the storage of guns or an outright ban as in DC, it would probably not be pursued. As a practical matter, you have to get a prosecutor (most of whom are elected) to decide to press charges which would be difficult.
I don’t think your analogy applies to the praying parents though. A gun left carelessly out is one thing, but recognizing that the child is dying and then doing nothing to prevent death is a long, measured response. One is much more likely to get in trouble for a pattern of behavior than for a momentary lapse.
It will be interesting to see what if anything happens. If charges were filed, the couple would undoubtedly use the 1st Amendment as a shield. If I were the prosecutor, I think I would argue that the 1st Amendment does not allow for the unfettered practice of religion. For example, polygamy has been banned in every state even though this marital construct comes out of mormon teachings.
Yes, I see what you mean.
I guess I was thinking of the cultural things which influence the law and its implementation.
It seems to me that to leave a loaded gun lying around a house is SO negligent, especially where there are children, but because guns are so accepted in the US I wondered whether such negligence would be seen as a crime.
The parents of this child seem so ignorant. One would have to wonder about their intellectual competence as well.
But then .... these concerns would be considered in the overall process, I guess.
And just imagine a county where you need to pass a test to drive a car to show that you are at least minimally competent, but any idiot can have a gun (or a child)! Oh, that would be our country.
I hope that’s a good thing.
Seriously, that’s a matter of a mental disorder and quite different from the couple who let their child die (some would say killed their child).
Why, oh why, does the fact that you are a self styled ‘prophet’ or ‘god’ or reincarnation of ‘Jesus’ give you a pass to convince women that this is justification abuse them and their hapless, helpless children??
