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Posted: 06 April 2011 06:30 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Morality is not just an obligation equal in importance to the cult or religious obligations of Israel, but that morality is perhaps superior to the cult. The crimes that are denounced as being utterly unacceptable to Yahweh, infuriating Yahweh to the point of destruction of the nation of Israel, are the kinds of crimes we see around us everyday, taking bribes, improper weights and balances, lack of charity to the poor, indifference to the plight of the debtor. Injustice is sacrilege, the ideals of the covenant are of utmost importance. Prophets were sent to Israel, these prophets are called the standard bearers of the covenant, harking back to the covenant obligations. And without these, without the ideals of the covenant, the fulfillment of ritual obligations in and of itself is a farce. What Yahweh requires of Israel is morality and not cultic service. The prophets raised morality to the level of an absolute religious value, and they did so because they saw morality as essentially divine. The essence of Yahweh is his moral nature. Moral attributes are the essence of Yahweh himself, one strives to be Yahweh-like by his moral actions. Read more http://thatlifeyahwehhas.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated;-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max;-results=12

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Posted: 06 April 2011 08:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Moral attributes are the essence of Yahweh himself, one strives to be Yahweh-like by his moral actions.

Would that include the scoarched earth campaign of General Joshua as the Israelites moved into the “Promised land?”

I’m sure the people of Jerhico who…according to the Biblical accounts…were wiped out to the last man, woman and child by divine command would be really impressed with the “morality” of that.

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Posted: 06 April 2011 09:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 06 April 2011 08:58 PM

Moral attributes are the essence of Yahweh himself, one strives to be Yahweh-like by his moral actions.

Would that include the scoarched earth campaign of General Joshua as the Israelites moved into the “Promised land?”

I’m sure the people of Jerhico who…according to the Biblical accounts…were wiped out to the last man, woman and child by divine command would be really impressed with the “morality” of that.

Good stuff their; and yet people had different gods, let the people’s so called god save there you know what? I think history clearly shows who this Yahweh is, but $hit happens I guess?

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Posted: 06 April 2011 09:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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What the Biblical history shows, notably the Old Testement, is that Yahweh has the manners and morals of a spoiled child.

Of course, if you just dismiss that history as legendary, then I suppose you can make up any story you like.

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Posted: 19 April 2011 11:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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This is interesting how these people saw what morality is about. The Assyrians are spared, and Jonah is furious, the very idea of a prophet being sent to Nineveh-Nineveh the capital of the hated Assyrian empire, the home of the people who had destroyed the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the ten tribes of Israel in 722BC, dispersing those ten tribes forever, the nation that had then laid siege to Jerusalem and exacted tribute from Judah for many years-Nineveh appears as another Sodom, Yahweh is going to punish them for immorality, but not necessarily for idolatry. But the stronger problem for Jonah seems to be the lack of punishment for the wicked. Jonah is indignant that the Assyrians didn’t get what they so richly deserved: didn’t Jonah say this would happen, that Yahweh always forgives, he’s this slow to anger, compassionate guy; he always repent, the wicked are never punished! It seems Jonah is fed up with the way Yahweh is doing things, his mercy perverts his justice, and some things ought not to be forgiven; people must be held to account for their evil actions, how can Yahweh not do justice! As Jonah is leaving the city to sulk, seems his complaint is twofold. If your going to punish the wicked then just push them; they deserve it. And if you’re planning to spare them, then just spare them and don’t waste my time with messages and oracles. As Jonah sits in a little booth that he has constructed, Yahweh causes a leafy plant to grow over him, providing shade and saving him from a good deal of discomfort; and the plant is to be the source of a final lesson for Jonah. How could Yahweh not be compassionate? For even the most evil of peoples are no less his creation that he has cared for than precious Israel. And if they will only turn to Yahweh in humility, he’ll wipe the slate clean, he’ll show compassion and forgive. It is only human to long for the punishment of the wicked; but Yahweh longs for their re-formation, their turning. Their is the moral law of the Noahide covenant, and it’s for this that Yahweh has decreed punishment, and Jonah is a champion of divine justice. Jonah believes that sin should be punished, he’s outraged at Yahweh’s forgiveness. But Jonah learns that a change of heart is enough to obtain mercy, and that the true role of the prophet is perhaps to move people to reformation and turning.

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Posted: 20 April 2011 07:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Morality was around before mankind invented gods. Religion has merely used it as another tool to try to control people. The hypocrisy of religion, particularly the Abrahamics in this regard, is legendary and on-going.

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Posted: 20 April 2011 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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This is interesting how these people saw what morality is about.

Invasions? Genocides? A deity which is short tempered, capricious, narssacistic, even spiteful to the point of homicidal of his “own people” if he doesn’t recieve His flattary?

If that’s your idea of morality, I’ll take a pass on it.

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Posted: 20 April 2011 11:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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The purpose of religion is and always has been to create community, often in competition with other communities; any morality contained was for binding the particular community together and did not apply to outsiders.

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Posted: 20 April 2011 11:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 20 April 2011 10:38 AM

This is interesting how these people saw what morality is about.

Invasions? Genocides? A deity which is short tempered, capricious, narssacistic, even spiteful to the point of homicidal of his “own people” if he doesn’t recieve His flattary?

If that’s your idea of morality, I’ll take a pass on it.

Gods were, in part, invented to take the blame for man’s inhumanity.

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Posted: 20 April 2011 11:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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garythehuman - 20 April 2011 11:09 AM

The purpose of religion is and always has been to create community, often in competition with other communities; any morality contained was for binding the particular community together and did not apply to outsiders.

Balderdash! Community needs no gods to form. Gods were devised then to give the politicians of the day extra sway over the superstitious. That is one of the reasons religions is losing adherents today, we are losing superstition, growing up as a race, putting aside the fears and crutches of primitive belief.

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Posted: 20 April 2011 11:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Gods were, in part, invented to take the blame for man’s inhumanity.

You’ll get no arguement from me on that point. At least not with the more sophisticated and highly developed religions.

With the more primitive nature oriented creeds, you might find that a bit problematic to support.

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