Spanish atheist march banned in Easter Week
Posted: 21 April 2011 07:23 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Spanish atheist march banned in Easter Week

21 April 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13158138

A Spanish court has banned an atheists’ group from marching through the capital Madrid as the city’s Catholics celebrate Easter Week.

The Madrid superior court of justice upheld a ban imposed last week by the Madrid region authorities, who had argued the march could provoke clashes.

One of the march’s organisers said the ban showed there was no separation of Church and state in Spain. . . .

Another reason given for banning the march was the appearance of lewd promotional posters for the event that bore slogans such as the “fraternity of saint paedophilia” . . .

However, organisers of the march repeatedly disassociated themselves from the posters. . . .

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Posted: 21 April 2011 07:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Yeah, I heard about this several days ago from the folks in Spain. I don’t know enough about the specifics, but it sure sounds annoying. That said, I don’t think there really is separation between church and state in Spain; certainly not in the sense we have in the US. IIRC the government does support the Catholic church there, though it is nominally secular.

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Posted: 21 April 2011 07:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Why protest against Easter when you can replace the celebration of Jesus’s resurrection—or the disgusting Jewish Passover—with the older pagan religious tradition of celebrating the rebirth of the new year with cute little bunnies and chicks?

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George - 21 April 2011 07:46 AM

Why protest against Easter when you can replace the celebration of Jesus’s resurrection—or the disgusting Jewish Passover—with the older pagan religious tradition of celebrating the rebirth of the new year with cute little bunnies and chicks?

Or just celebrate the renewal of life in nature (AKA Spring).  The chocolate symbolism are nice and tasty, but to me, that is not what Spring is all about.

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josh_karpf - 21 April 2011 07:23 AM

Spanish atheist march banned in Easter Week

21 April 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13158138

A Spanish court has banned an atheists’ group from marching through the capital Madrid as the city’s Catholics celebrate Easter Week.

The Madrid superior court of justice upheld a ban imposed last week by the Madrid region authorities, who had argued the march could provoke clashes.

One of the march’s organisers said the ban showed there was no separation of Church and state in Spain. . . .

Another reason given for banning the march was the appearance of lewd promotional posters for the event that bore slogans such as the “fraternity of saint paedophilia” . . .

However, organisers of the march repeatedly disassociated themselves from the posters. . . .


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Posted: 21 April 2011 09:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Mriana - 21 April 2011 08:23 AM

Or just celebrate the renewal of life in nature (AKA Spring).

Well, I am not Tom Flynn. I like traditions.  grin I actually find the Spanish wanting to protest during the Eastern in the name of atheism more distasteful than the Catholic holiday itself. But then, I am not a cat person so I don’t probably get it.

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Or just celebrate the renewal of life in nature (AKA Spring).

Well, I am not Tom Flynn. I like traditions.  grin I actually find the Spanish wanting to protest during the Eastern in the name of atheism more distasteful than the Catholic holiday itself. But then, I am not a cat person so I don’t probably get it.

What does being a cat person have to do with it?  I’m a bit confused.

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George - 21 April 2011 09:24 AM

I actually find the Spanish wanting to protest during the Eastern in the name of atheism more distasteful than the Catholic holiday itself.

To be honest, this concern of mine is what made me decide not to post a thread about it here. As I say, I don’t have a good picture of the specifics (haven’t taken time to read carefully the articles in Spanish—which I know are sketchy having glanced at them—or asked questions), but I would not be particularly in favor of a generalized atheistic protest march. That seems to me in poor taste and unlikely to do anything other than piss people off.

If atheists want a parade it should be in celebration of something, and done in that spirit.

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Posted: 21 April 2011 10:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Mriana - 21 April 2011 09:46 AM
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Mriana - 21 April 2011 08:23 AM

Or just celebrate the renewal of life in nature (AKA Spring).

Well, I am not Tom Flynn. I like traditions.  grin I actually find the Spanish wanting to protest during the Eastern in the name of atheism more distasteful than the Catholic holiday itself. But then, I am not a cat person so I don’t probably get it.

What does being a cat person have to do with it?  I’m a bit confused.

I don’t know, but that’s what this whole new atheism thing feels like to me: cats are cute and holidays are irrational and primitive. It’s probably just a continuation of the postmodernist BS where some feel competent enough to advice us on how the useful and rational exceeds everything else.

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Posted: 21 April 2011 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Well, in the US, the religious right and catholics use ‘good Friday’ as a yearly opportunity to stage unified protests at Planned Parenthood clinics.

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Posted: 21 April 2011 09:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I don’t see a web site for the Madrileno Association of Atheists and Freethinkers, are they a fly-by-night group? 


The State Dept: Spain

“The Constitution provides for freedom of religion, and the Government generally respects this right in practice. There is no state religion; however, the Catholic Church enjoys some privileges unavailable to other faiths.”

“The law prohibits the collection of census data based on religious belief, which limits the ability to compile statistical data on the number of adherents in the country. “

“Article 16 of the Constitution provides for religious freedom and the freedom of worship by individuals and groups. It also states, “No faith shall have the character of a state religion.” However, the Government provides certain public financing benefits to the Catholic Church that are not available to other religious entities in practice. These benefits derive from four accords signed with the Holy See in 1979. They cover economic, religious education, military, and judicial matters.”

There’s more details at the State Dept.

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Posted: 26 April 2011 10:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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George - 21 April 2011 10:22 AM

I don’t know, but that’s what this whole new atheism thing feels like to me: cats are cute and holidays are irrational and primitive. It’s probably just a continuation of the postmodernist BS where some feel competent enough to advice us on how the useful and rational exceeds everything else.

George, cats fuel the (non-porn parts of the) internet.  Well, cats and crazy.

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Posted: 26 April 2011 10:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Well, I have another theory on the cat obsession. But it would probably sound too offensive to some people, so I’ll have to die with my theory.  cheese

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George - 21 April 2011 09:24 AM

I actually find the Spanish wanting to protest during the Eastern in the name of atheism more distasteful than the Catholic holiday itself.

To be honest, this concern of mine is what made me decide not to post a thread about it here. As I say, I don’t have a good picture of the specifics (haven’t taken time to read carefully the articles in Spanish—which I know are sketchy having glanced at them—or asked questions), but I would not be particularly in favor of a generalized atheistic protest march. That seems to me in poor taste and unlikely to do anything other than piss people off.

If atheists want a parade it should be in celebration of something, and done in that spirit.

I feel the same. Atheism is a positive world view that should be celebrated. It should not be used to simply offend people.

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