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Posted: 23 June 2011 10:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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At minimum, smokers have an 8X greater chance of developing LC than people who never smoked.

Yes, but that number is fairly new. It used to be twenty to thirty (!) times higher, still cited by many.

The magic of science, we’ll adjust our thinking when the known facts change!

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Posted: 23 June 2011 10:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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traveler - 23 June 2011 10:32 AM

Man, that seems like a formality, but OK, most people find smoking to be a disgusting addiction.

Formality? How about this?: Some people find the idea of gay sex repulsive vs. Gay sex is repulsive. Get it?  smirk

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Posted: 23 June 2011 11:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Man, that seems like a formality, but OK, most people find smoking to be a disgusting addiction.

Formality? How about this?: Some people find the idea of gay sex repulsive vs. Gay sex is repulsive. Get it?  smirk

I do get that. But I presume gay persons don’t find gay sex repulsive; quite the opposite. Most smokers I have known do find smoking to be a disgusting addiction. They often congratulate each other after quitting. They say things like, “I can’t believe I used to smell like that,” or “I can’t believe I used to suck on those things.” I never heard a gay person say that.  grin

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Posted: 23 June 2011 01:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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27 years and I’ve known all this stuff and really I don’t believe it will phase smokers that much.  It doesn’t me, although I hope to switch over to the new e-cig eventually.  I rather like it and it has FAR FAR less chemicals in it and it doesn’t smog up the house much.  My 22 year old son prefers me smoking that then actual cigs too.  He can breathe better for it.  It also doesn’t stink up my hair and clothes too.

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Posted: 23 June 2011 03:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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traveler - 23 June 2011 10:32 AM

Man, that seems like a formality, but OK, most people find smoking to be a disgusting addiction.

Formality? How about this?: Some people find the idea of gay sex repulsive vs. Gay sex is repulsive. Get it?  smirk

I do get that. But I presume gay persons don’t find gay sex repulsive; quite the opposite. Most smokers I have known do find smoking to be a disgusting addiction. They often congratulate each other after quitting. They say things like, “I can’t believe I used to smell like that,” or “I can’t believe I used to suck on those things.” I never heard a gay person say that.  grin

LOL That’s hilarious-what about gay people who went to straight camp to be converted,they might say that!

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Posted: 23 June 2011 03:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Mriana - 23 June 2011 01:43 PM

27 years and I’ve known all this stuff and really I don’t believe it will phase smokers that much.  It doesn’t me, although I hope to switch over to the new e-cig eventually.  I rather like it and it has FAR FAR less chemicals in it and it doesn’t smog up the house much.  My 22 year old son prefers me smoking that then actual cigs too.  He can breathe better for it.  It also doesn’t stink up my hair and clothes too.

You should stop altogether,those E-cigs will probably make you want the real thing even more.

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Not really.  I’ve tried it before and I did just fine.  It’s the nicotine and menthol I want most of all and it satisfied me.  I don’t see why I should give it up altogether if I can get satisfaction out of the e-cigs and it doesn’t cause me to want the real thing even more.  I was fine until I ran out of juice and all.  The problem is, the real thing is more easily accessible then the e-cigs.  There is no reason to give up vaping if it satisfies someone.  Nicotine, or even the menthol, isn’t the cancer causing ingredient.  It is all the other crap that is added to the real cigs.

The other thing with e-cigs is you have a choice of nicotine levels, so that if one wishes to do so, they can slowly wean themselves off of nicotine too.  However, to say, “You should…” really ticks off many of us BIG time.  Not going to happen if one tells us what to do, esp when there is an alternative that doesn’t cause us to desire the truly bad more.  That’s BS to even think that.

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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I think I’m going to go sit on the back porch, smoke a cigar, sip some Bourbon and read Life, the Universe and Everything on my iPod Touch. No cancer causing additves in the cigars, and I don’t inhale. cool smile

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Well, it’s not surprising that you crave those, aren’t the nicotine and menthol the addictive chemicals?

I never tell smokers to stop. As a former smoker I know how much a waste of time it is. smile (Not to mention, my father has smoked since before I was born, and I’ve never been able to change his mind.)

I do find it amusing to ‘listen’ to smokers justify their habit.  grin

The only thing I smoke now is meat.

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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harry canyon - 23 June 2011 04:32 PM

The only thing I smoke now is meat.

Take care,

Derek

Mmmmm…

Dead pig slow cooked using mesquite. I did that last night. Great stuff.

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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harry canyon - 23 June 2011 04:32 PM

The only thing I smoke now is meat.

Take care,

Derek

Mmmmm…

Dead pig slow cooked using mesquite. I did that last night. Great stuff.

I like mesquite for grilling but not smoking. What cut of pork did you cook? BTW: I thought you were in Texas. I didn’t think you were ‘allowed’ to cook pork there.  tongue wink

I’ve become quite enamored with applewood myself. Cherry is nice as well. Hickory too, but in moderation. I really over did the smoke (hickory) on some baby backs several years ago. I apologized profusely to my guests who kept saying: “Oh, it’s fine!” No it wasn’t, but thanks for choking it down anyway. red face

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Mriana - 23 June 2011 04:06 PM

Not really.  I’ve tried it before and I did just fine.  It’s the nicotine and menthol I want most of all and it satisfied me.  I don’t see why I should give it up altogether if I can get satisfaction out of the e-cigs and it doesn’t cause me to want the real thing even more.  I was fine until I ran out of juice and all.  The problem is, the real thing is more easily accessible then the e-cigs.  There is no reason to give up vaping if it satisfies someone.  Nicotine, or even the menthol, isn’t the cancer causing ingredient.  It is all the other crap that is added to the real cigs.

The other thing with e-cigs is you have a choice of nicotine levels, so that if one wishes to do so, they can slowly wean themselves off of nicotine too.  However, to say, “You should…” really ticks off many of us BIG time.  Not going to happen if one tells us what to do, esp when there is an alternative that doesn’t cause us to desire the truly bad more.  That’s BS to even think that.

You are definitly an addict with that response,I sense your hate;Nicotine is not harmless,it causes damage to blood vessels even if it might not cause cancer.I ain’t a health crusader,I smoked until 3 years ago and loved every second!I would feel like you do.

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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traveler - 23 June 2011 11:52 AM
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traveler - 23 June 2011 10:32 AM

Man, that seems like a formality, but OK, most people find smoking to be a disgusting addiction.

Formality? How about this?: Some people find the idea of gay sex repulsive vs. Gay sex is repulsive. Get it?  smirk

I do get that. But I presume gay persons don’t find gay sex repulsive; quite the opposite. Most smokers I have known do find smoking to be a disgusting addiction. They often congratulate each other after quitting. They say things like, “I can’t believe I used to smell like that,” or “I can’t believe I used to suck on those things.” I never heard a gay person say that.  grin

LOL That’s hilarious-what about gay people who went to straight camp to be converted,they might say that!

True, but they don’t mean it. Ex-smokers truly are glad they are no longer addicted. Besides, the straight camp converts are lying to themselves. Smoking is a choice (in the beginning) but being gay is not (don’t want thread drift…)

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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harry canyon - 23 June 2011 04:45 PM

I like mesquite for grilling but not smoking. What cut of pork did you cook? BTW: I thought you were in Texas. I didn’t think you were ‘allowed’ to cook pork there.  tongue wink

No allowed to cook pork in Texas? Hell, it’s the second most popular dish at every BBQ joint in the state, right behind brisket.

I used my small grill to smoke some pork loin. Took two hours to cook. I like to finish it with a raspberry/chipotle glaze.

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Posted: 23 June 2011 04:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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traveler - 23 June 2011 10:32 AM

Man, that seems like a formality, but OK, most people find smoking to be a disgusting addiction.

Formality? How about this?: Some people find the idea of gay sex repulsive vs. Gay sex is repulsive. Get it?  smirk

I do get that. But I presume gay persons don’t find gay sex repulsive; quite the opposite. Most smokers I have known do find smoking to be a disgusting addiction. They often congratulate each other after quitting. They say things like, “I can’t believe I used to smell like that,” or “I can’t believe I used to suck on those things.” I never heard a gay person say that.  grin

LOL That’s hilarious-what about gay people who went to straight camp to be converted,they might say that!

True, but they don’t mean it. Ex-smokers truly are glad they are no longer addicted. Besides, the straight camp converts are lying to themselves. Smoking is a choice (in the beginning) but being gay is not (don’t want thread drift…)

I know ,I was just trying to be slick. wink

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