DarronS - 15 August 2011 08:40 PM

That’s pretty good MA. Are you familiar with Swine Trek?

Now that was funny.

I enjoyed all the Star Trek series, but I’m quite out of fashion in thinking DS9 the best of the series. The DS9 stories were very much more about people and less about techno-whizzy stuff. They relied less often on sci-fi magic. Two of the finest of all the Star Trek episodes were both DS9 episodes. In the first, Kira has to go to a moon of Bajor to talk some old coot out of his home to make way for an energy project. The whole show is about the interaction between the two, and it’s very good indeed. The second, probably the best single Star Trek episode ever, has a Cardassian show up on the station who ws apparently the commandant of the worst death camp of the Cardassian occupation of Bajor. Kira investigates his case, and there’s an absolutely shattering scene in which he confronts Kira and declares himself proud of his achievements, of the way that he terrorized the Bajorans, and that, no matter what they did to him, it would never bring back the thousands he killed. I have rarely seen anything this powerful on television. The ending is also shattering.

[A few minutes later] Oh, and don’t forget the one where they crash-land on a prison planet where the prisoners are forced to relive their mindless blood feud for all eternity, never being able to die.

Chris Crawford - 15 August 2011 10:31 PM

I enjoyed all the Star Trek series, but I’m quite out of fashion in thinking DS9 the best of the series.

No you’re not.  DS9 was the best Trek.  But it was the least Trekkish.  Maybe because it was stolen from JMS after he pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount.

Religion in Star Trek but not being politely ridiculed.  But with the Great Kai Winn.

psik

DarronS - 15 August 2011 03:52 PM

And please check and see what universe we currently inhabit. I find myself agreeing with psikeyhacker: B5 is the best science fiction show of all time.

It must be the Fun House Mirror Universe. 

psik

Dunno, I never liked DS9, perhaps because as psik says, it was the least Trekkish. Always felt to me like they were trying to copy B5 without the depth and complexity of B5’s story line.

OH!!!!!!!  I guess I have to change my corrective lenses.  I kept wondering what everyone was talking about with BS (Bull S__T???) being a great SF series.  Just now I recognized that the “es” was really a five.  It was OK, but I could never get into it.  I’d rank it on the same level as Voyager but without 7 of 9.

Occam

Thing about B5 is that it’s all in the story arc. If you just watch a few episodes out of place it wouldn’t work.

psikeyhackr - 16 August 2011 01:34 PM

Chris Crawford - 15 August 2011 10:31 PM

I enjoyed all the Star Trek series, but I’m quite out of fashion in thinking DS9 the best of the series.

No you’re not.  DS9 was the best Trek.  But it was the least Trekkish.  Maybe because it was stolen from JMS after he pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount.

Religion in Star Trek but not being politely ridiculed.  But with the Great Kai Winn.

psik

I thought Enterprise was the least Trekkish and the worst.  It only had a claim to Star Trek because it put Vulcans in it, IMO.

On a slightly different note, did anyone see the recent Star Trek movie?  If so, do you think it stood up to the older movies?

I didn’t see it.  However, I strongly agree with Mriana’s evaluation in post #38.

Occam

Mriana - 16 August 2011 06:51 PM

psikeyhackr - 16 August 2011 01:34 PM

Chris Crawford - 15 August 2011 10:31 PM

I enjoyed all the Star Trek series, but I’m quite out of fashion in thinking DS9 the best of the series.

No you’re not.  DS9 was the best Trek.  But it was the least Trekkish.  Maybe because it was stolen from JMS after he pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount.

Religion in Star Trek but not being politely ridiculed.  But with the Great Kai Winn.

psik

I thought Enterprise was the least Trekkish and the worst.  It only had a claim to Star Trek because it put Vulcans in it, IMO.

Could be. I never saw Enterprise.

mid atlantic - 16 August 2011 07:17 PM

On a slightly different note, did anyone see the recent Star Trek movie?  If so, do you think it stood up to the older movies?

IMO, it was up there with the series Enterprise.  It just did not measure up to what I know as Star Trek.

The original series Star Trek was a product of Gene Roddenberry and his writers.  They resisted what the “suits” (executives) were trying to make them do.  The latest Star Trek movie is a product of the Hollywood system.  This VIDEO is a funny look at how and why the latest Star Trek movie was made.

Some of TNG was written by Gene too.

mid atlantic - 16 August 2011 07:17 PM

On a slightly different note, did anyone see the recent Star Trek movie?  If so, do you think it stood up to the older movies?

It may not have been as bad as the very first Star Trek movie.  That one tried to be deep and failed miserably.  That makes for really bad movies in my opinion.

The last Star Trek movie did not try to be deep and succeeded.

I think Star Trek says a lot about science fiction and Hollywood in general.  The very first pilot was excellent in my opinion, certainly for its day.  It was REAL SCIENCE FICTION and competition for literary sci-fi.  But it was rejected and called “too cerebral”.  A second pilot was made, which was unusual, and it was at least decent.  But the very first Trek episode that aired was that Salt Monster garbage.  I watched that the very first time it aired.  I figured Star Trek might be tolerable but not good.  Fortunately a lot of episodes were batter than that, but it says what Hollywood thinks of the sci-fi audience.

That episode was on the same level as Stargate SG-1.  I stopped watching that series in the second season.

Cowboys and Aliens is more of the same kind of crap.  Star Trek 2009 is better than Cowboys and Aliens 2011 but not very much.

psik