Why not post this on the general Forum? At any rate here are some answers:
1) If there is no God and life occurs as a natural phenomina of the universe - as abiogenesis/evolution would dictate - then life would have evolved on trillions of planets in the universe - many evolving billions of years prior to ours - not that they would all be billions of years advanced of us on the evolutionary chain - but undoubtedly millions of life forms would be - such beings would be gods - capable of manipulating every aspect of our realities (no space-ships or lasers necessary). Hence - if you are an athiest but believe evolution/abiogenesis (which I’m sure most do) then you should believe in many Gods - maybe the Hindus got it right?
The capital-G God of theology is all powerful, all knowing and perfectly good. There is no evolutionary route to these characteristics. And evolution doesn’t give us insight into how easy or hard it would be to get life started, nor to several other key variables in the Drake equation. That said, I’d wager many believers in evolution do think that there is life elsewhere in the universe, and some of it might theoretically be very powerful. But clearly as of yet we have no evidence about this, only speculation.
2) There’s one place God exists for certain - the human mind - the same place where reality exists - how can you say one exists and another doesn’t when both are manifestations of our consciousness?
Um, no and no. God doesn’t exist in our mind. God is a figment of our mind, in the same way as Santa Claus or Mickey Mouse. And reality doesn’t exist in your mind anymore than it does in mine. If it did, why not will yourself to fly? What’s stopping you?
Further, if the universe is in your mind, how do you know anyone else exists? How do you know they have thoughts different from yours, or any thoughts at all? I suppose they’re in your mind too!
The view that the world exists in your mind is childish hubris. The universe is a grand place, and you’re not the little-g god of it.
3) not so much a catch 22 - just questions -
What would turn an athiest into a believer?
Do they want to see God?
What would they expect or want to see?
Do they expect an all power being?
Do they think an all powerful being (or just a more intellegent being) would be interested in gaining their support by revealing itself in a way that would satisfy them?
Do they want a paranormal experience?
Have any of you athiest had a paranormal experience?
Is there anything that challenges an athiest belief more than turbulance?
When you think about it - bad moments in life are like one in a million (less actually). For every bad second we live there’s like a hundred million good. Is there really any accounting for such overwelmingly positive odds?
Do you look around you - at the beauty of Paris, the hustle and bustle of New York city and think “this all occurs by chance with no reason - give things enough time and Ipads and I phones will result - no blueprints needed for blue-prints?
Thanks for your responses
We have no evidence that the universe was designed by such a being as I referenced, above. Along with the good, the universe is filled with bad. The vast majority of it is hard vacuum or stellar infernos that would kill any life we know. The history of life is a history of fierce competition, dominance hierarchies and killing as much as it is about human glories. For every Paris and New York there are a hundred vast shanty towns. For every peace, a war. One simply cannot point to the known world as anything like the product of a perfectly moral being. Recall that by living in the developed West, with access to things like computers and the internet not to mention fresh water, ample food and good healthcare, you’re an immensely privileged person.
And then you look at the supposed ‘evidence’ standardly provided as supporting a belief in God: books such as the Bible, at times entertaining but filled with morally objectionable reasoning, childish fantasy and self-contradiction. It’d take much more than that to even begin to support a belief in God.