new vs. old testament?
Posted: 31 October 2006 07:35 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Is it true that Jesus (the character) states that the old testament is null and void? If so, does anyone have a reference?

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Posted: 31 October 2006 07:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Re: new vs. old testament?

[quote author=“tom_g”]Is it true that Jesus (the character) states that the old testament is null and void? If so, does anyone have a reference?

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I believe that Jesus is supposed to have said (Matthew 5:17-20):

[quote author=“Matthew”]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

That is, we not only have to uphold the Mosaic law as in the Old Testament, but we have to be even more righteous. He appears to have been, if anything, an extremist in this matter.

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Posted: 01 November 2006 01:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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thanks Doug!

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Posted: 10 December 2006 10:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Posted: 11 May 2007 09:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Hi Tom! 

Hebrews Chapter 8:13 KJV:

In that He says, “A new covenant, ” He has made the first obsolete.  Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

I also suggest reading Hebrews 7 vs 18- Hebrews 8 vs 13.

Doug’s response would be a large minority amongst most christians today.  His view is more legalistic and Judaic….simply meaning a person must Adhere to specific rules and regulations (the Jews of the OT had literally hundreds and hundres of laws above and beyond that of the Ten Commandments) in order to be saved.  Another problem is that a person can never become more righteous.  The only righteousness we have is IMPUTED righteousness. 

There is a reason why Jesus came…..to fullfill prophecy and redeem us, to atone for our sins Himself.  Only a Perfect person with no sin may enter Heaven.  Thankfully Jesus did the works for us and if we believe in Him we are accounted worthy because He IS worthy.  Nothing we can do as a person can make us worthy or make us even more righteous…..there is no more work which we can add or that has to be done because Jesus has already done the work for us.

This is what the passage is referring to when Jesus says not one jot or one title will pass from the law till all is fulfilled.  The fullfilment will be complete when Jesus Returns.  Until then the law must be in effect in order to meet God’s requirement…........A requirement which Christ has already fulfilled for us by his perfect life and death on the Cross.

Galations 5:4-9

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law;  you have fallen from grace.  For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.  For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.  You ran well.  Who hindered you from obeying the truth?  This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.  A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

So justification comes thru faith….....and of course, if a person has True faith then they will bear fruits or good works.

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Posted: 11 May 2007 05:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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It’s all contradictory. The Gospel of Mark and John are very anti-Jewish. In those Jesus rejects the old laws. Matthew is pro-Jewish, in that he says that he upholds the old laws, and you have to obey each and every one of them.

Paul is also opposed to Jewish law, so all of the Pauline letters say that the law is completely abolished. Hebrews also says the old law is abolished.

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