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Posted: 20 September 2011 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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mid atlantic - 20 September 2011 11:08 AM

  Phelps’ death would be a good thing.

Could we have a gay rally at his funeral?  LOL

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Posted: 20 September 2011 12:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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skuld - 20 September 2011 12:13 PM
mid atlantic - 20 September 2011 11:08 AM

  Phelps’ death would be a good thing.

Could we have a gay rally at his funeral?  LOL

You can bet on it that there will be a lot of people there at Fred Phelps’ wedding, ready to “return the love”. That’s a funeral thats going to require TONS of security.

They will deserve every bit of it too. Can’t say I’ll feel any remorse…

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Posted: 20 September 2011 12:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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mid atlantic - 19 September 2011 07:01 PM

Almost everyone on this forum is an Atheist/Agnostic/Freethinker/Skeptic/Non Theist, maybe a few Deists, or unclassifiable freaks.  Whatever the label, we are basically not believers;  I was curious though, does anybody here actually hate religious people and/or religion/spirituality?  If yes or no , do you think there is a “place” for hatred of religious/spiritual concepts?  What are your feelings?

Why bother?  Actively hating something takes more energy than I care to muster up. Besides, I think MOST religious people are basically well-meaning, if a bit misguided.

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Posted: 20 September 2011 01:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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skuld - 20 September 2011 12:24 PM
mid atlantic - 19 September 2011 07:01 PM

Almost everyone on this forum is an Atheist/Agnostic/Freethinker/Skeptic/Non Theist, maybe a few Deists, or unclassifiable freaks.  Whatever the label, we are basically not believers;  I was curious though, does anybody here actually hate religious people and/or religion/spirituality?  If yes or no , do you think there is a “place” for hatred of religious/spiritual concepts?  What are your feelings?

Why bother?  Actively hating something takes more energy than I care to muster up. Besides, I think MOST religious people are basically well-meaning, if a bit misguided.

Whether or not its a waste of time will be up to that individual person. I’ve never had a family funeral where Westboro Church showed up, so I don’t know how it feels. Perhaps it would make these people feel a lot better to finally be able to stick it to the guy and his family before he gets put into the ground.

Re: misguided people with good intentions, true, but I don’t think that Fred Phelps falls into that category. There are very intolerant and aggressively hateful people in this world. If you give them an avenue that appears to justify their aggression, they will take it and wear it like a robe of righteousness. I’ve seen it. I’ve worked in several churches as a minister for many years prior to my abandonment. There are all types of people that come in there, including those who serve in the clergy. Whatever particular aspect of biblical doctrine appeals more towards that person’s personality is what they will tend to emphasize more. While it’s not always true, it’s true most of the time. A person with a very abrasive personality and rude demeanor will typically like the passages about the “lone prophets in the wilderness”, because they tended to be the “in your face” and “tell it like it is” guys in the Old Testament. It justifies their rudeness because they are just “telling you what God told them to tell you”. It’s those people who usually gravitate towards that archetype/persona.

Then there are the people who are naturally/biologically inclined to be more gentle and peaceful. They are the Christians that focus more on the Bible passages that speak of kindness and love. It fits their personality.

No, people like Fred Phelps are damaged goods, and the last good thing they could do for our civilization is just die. He’s no better than someone like Bin Laden was, and I’m sure that most of us on this forum didn’t shed one tear when the dude got shot in the head. If I find out that someone strangled him in his sleep, I won’t lose one minute of sleep. In fact, I may sleep much better!

This is not about a hatred for religion. Its Fred Phelps that I hate.

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Posted: 20 September 2011 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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skuld - 20 September 2011 12:13 PM
mid atlantic - 20 September 2011 11:08 AM

  Phelps’ death would be a good thing.

Could we have a gay rally at his funeral?  LOL

Hell Yes!  Wouldn’t it be amusing if the day after Fred Phelps died, his friends and family found a huge collection of gay porn, and sex toys in his house. LOL

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Posted: 20 September 2011 08:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Hate is a pretty intense word; full on hate is probably just as rare as full on love.  I consider myself an anti-theist in that I hate the concept of supernatural beings (even if they are benevolent!)  People who are flush with religion/spirituality arouse some amount of hatred in me for some reason; I try to go out of my way to avoid them.

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Posted: 21 September 2011 08:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Unfortunately some other religious nut would rise up to take his place. Educating people when they are young is the only way (short of violence) to stamp out this sort of pig-headed ignorance. Most, if not all of them have been indoctrinated since youth to believe in the myths perpetuated by their parents and other adult authority figures.  Neither pastors nor parents have a right to twist a child’s mind through fear or hatred. If they are inclined to be religious as adults, then that’s another story. we are all aware that people cling to religion to answer questions that perplex them, or use religion as a comfort in hard times. Once again, that’s their business as long as it goes no further than that. All to often however people are forced to form a mindset of intolerence, fear and hatred against “those people” and it begins in infancy. As the twig is bent, so grows the tree, right? That’s why god hates fags, athiests, agnostics, abortion and the list is endless. Want to fight this hatred?  Open a child’s mind to free thought. Let them decide in the future what the facts are. They’ll face reality and hopefully make us a better species.
And while I’m on a rant, I ran into some Phelps-like wingnuts while on vacation at Va. Beach. My family and I had to wade through them on the main street as they screamed at us and shoved religious tracts in our faces. They were waving giant placards arorned with flames showing homosexuals and semi-naked people roasting in their imagined hell. I asked a nearby parking lot attendant why the police didn’t run them off and he said that as long as they didn’t prohibit people from walking on the sidewalk it was considered freedom of religion. I replied, “what about freedom FROM religion”? He just shrugged.

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Posted: 21 September 2011 09:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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thevillageathiest - 21 September 2011 08:25 AM

Unfortunately some other religious nut would rise up to take his place. Educating people when they are young is the only way (short of violence) to stamp out this sort of pig-headed ignorance. Most, if not all of them have been indoctrinated since youth to believe in the myths perpetuated by their parents and other adult authority figures.

That is why I suggest science fiction for kids.  It is mind expanding with both weird and factual ideas.

Good science fiction.  Not Star Wars.  LOL

I encountered the concepts of atheism and agnosticism in SF.  It is permeated with humanism even though the term is rarely used.  Oh yeah, that evilution is mentioned in a lot of SF too.

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Posted: 21 September 2011 11:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Come to think of it that may be how I first formed my opinions about secularism. As a kid I read Asimov, Bradbury, Ackerman, And the classics, Jules Verne and my all time favorite H.G. Wells. His book The Time Machine inspired me to become a Social Studies teacher. I literally built a mental time machine, but unfortunately can only travel back in time. What was most intriguing was his trip into the future. So, I agree that sci fi can open a child’s mind to ALL possibilities. We need to get the kids fired up about science and this is the way to do it! Instead of science fiction we could call it science probabilities! That might hook em’. cheese

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Posted: 21 September 2011 12:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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I don’t actually hate anyone.  There is a huge difference between hating and disliking. There is no place for hate because it is totally irrational and the first concept of any religion should be tolerance.

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Posted: 21 September 2011 08:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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deros - 21 September 2011 12:46 PM

I don’t actually hate anyone.  There is a huge difference between hating and disliking. There is no place for hate because it is totally irrational and the first concept of any religion should be tolerance.

I don’t see much difference between hate and dislike; both of them are irrational but that’s not really the point.  Why should the first concept of any religion be tolerance?

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Posted: 22 September 2011 05:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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mid atlantic - 21 September 2011 08:02 PM
deros - 21 September 2011 12:46 PM

I don’t actually hate anyone.  There is a huge difference between hating and disliking. There is no place for hate because it is totally irrational and the first concept of any religion should be tolerance.

I don’t see much difference between hate and dislike; both of them are irrational but that’s not really the point.  Why should the first concept of any religion be tolerance?

Because it used to be the most important part at one point. It was the early Christians who helped the sick in times when everybody else would turn away. The belief in one God where everybody is equal and should be treated accordingly played an important role in the history of our culture.

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Posted: 23 September 2011 02:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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That’s beside the point, what good does tolerance do if your’re trying to fool people into believing the BS you dream up?

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Posted: 23 September 2011 02:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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One has nothing to do with the other. Obviously.

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Posted: 23 September 2011 02:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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George - 23 September 2011 02:31 PM

One has nothing to do with the other. Obviously.

  Only if you plan to have your cult not be successful.

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