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Is ufology now a religion?
Posted: 03 October 2011 10:48 PM   [ Ignore ]
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It seems to me that we’ve now reached the point where ufology is a religion. Now, of course, certain elements of ufology have always been like this, whether it’s the contactee movement or abductions or whatever. But now that after all this time we still have no good evidence, rather than simply going away, the whole thing seems to have become a religion, with its own sacred sights and legendary figures. This really came home to me when I heard people talking about these walking tours that ufologists are doing somewhere around where the Rendlesham Forest incident happened. Apparently they just want to get together with like-minded people and meditate on what happened there all those years ago. This strikes me as totally bizarre. Even if an alien spacecraft really did land there, why on earth do all these people want to meet up there now 30 years later? You can imagine that in a couple of hundred years time, when it has truly become a mainstream religion, ufology leaders will be saying that you need to have faith that Roswell and Rendlesham really happened, that we can trust the reliability of the early ufologists and early witnesses, and that we can live in hope that the aliens will one day come back.

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Posted: 04 October 2011 02:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Dom1978 - 03 October 2011 10:48 PM

It seems to me that we’ve now reached the point where ufology is a religion. Now, of course, certain elements of ufology have always been like this, whether it’s the contactee movement or abductions or whatever. But now that after all this time we still have no good evidence, rather than simply going away, the whole thing seems to have become a religion, with its own sacred sights and legendary figures. This really came home to me when I heard people talking about these walking tours that ufologists are doing somewhere around where the Rendlesham Forest incident happened. Apparently they just want to get together with like-minded people and meditate on what happened there all those years ago. This strikes me as totally bizarre. Even if an alien spacecraft really did land there, why on earth do all these people want to meet up there now 30 years later? You can imagine that in a couple of hundred years time, when it has truly become a mainstream religion, ufology leaders will be saying that you need to have faith that Roswell and Rendlesham really happened, that we can trust the reliability of the early ufologists and early witnesses, and that we can live in hope that the aliens will one day come back.

True enough, these “movements” always take on a quasi-religious vibe if they stick around long enough, there are a few POI podcasts that deal with this very issue.

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Posted: 04 October 2011 08:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I’m not making the mild claim that ufology has some religious elements. Communism, national socialism and secular humanism also have religious elements. Rather I’m making the much stronger claim that ufology is, or is in the process of becoming, a full-blown religion.

All of this is based on a hunch. I just feel that as time goes on it’s going to become obvious to everyone that these things are not real. If they were real, you would have daylight sightings in big cities with thousands of witnesses and video and photgraphic evidence from all sorts of different angles. Given how many people have camcorders nowadays, the evidence would surely be overwhelming by now.

So, as time goes by and we still don’t have any really good evidence, the ufo believers have basically two options. They can either admit that it’s a load of rubbish or they can continue believing but in a more religious manner. I think some might claim that the original classic cases were real but all or most of the recent ones are bogus. Put crudely, just as camcorder usage became widespread the ufos decided to bugger off! You will then have a select few classic cases that pretty much all ufo believers will accept, and you will also have the accompanying sacred sights, sacred texts and special people. Of course, there will a great deal of disagreement about the precise meaning and interpretation of these classic events, but there will be agreement that something incredible happened.   

Really, though, it’s up to people in religious studies, sociology and anthropology to figure this stuff out. This is just my guess at what’s going to happen to ufology.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 04:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Dom1978 - 03 October 2011 10:48 PM

It seems to me that we’ve now reached the point where ufology is a religion. Now, of course, certain elements of ufology have always been like this, whether it’s the contactee movement or abductions or whatever. But now that after all this time we still have no good evidence, rather than simply going away, the whole thing seems to have become a religion, with its own sacred sights and legendary figures. This really came home to me when I heard people talking about these walking tours that ufologists are doing somewhere around where the Rendlesham Forest incident happened. Apparently they just want to get together with like-minded people and meditate on what happened there all those years ago. This strikes me as totally bizarre. Even if an alien spacecraft really did land there, why on earth do all these people want to meet up there now 30 years later? You can imagine that in a couple of hundred years time, when it has truly become a mainstream religion, ufology leaders will be saying that you need to have faith that Roswell and Rendlesham really happened, that we can trust the reliability of the early ufologists and early witnesses, and that we can live in hope that the aliens will one day come back.

Just change ufology to what it is, uFOOLogy and you have answered the question.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 07:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Believing that the universe has no other signs of life is acceptable to CFI?  From what I’ve read, signs of UFOs or extraterrestrial life has, in the past been regarded as Gods trying to prove their existence.

CFI has always been a place where we could gather to discuss inquiries of all sorts.  Have I been wrong over the years?

Anything we cannot see or touch is now considered occult?  Radiation?  germs?  lightening?

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Posted: 11 October 2011 08:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Sandy Price - 11 October 2011 07:58 AM

Believing that the universe has no other signs of life is acceptable to CFI?  From what I’ve read, signs of UFOs or extraterrestrial life has, in the past been regarded as Gods trying to prove their existence.

CFI has always been a place where we could gather to discuss inquiries of all sorts.  Have I been wrong over the years?

Anything we cannot see or touch is now considered occult?  Radiation?  germs?  lightening?

You kidding? I find it very difficult to imagine that life does not exist somewhere else. Our biggest mistakes have been made when we think we are special, or the center of it all.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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There is no evidence of extraterrestrials visiting Earth. While I believe it likely there are other civilizations in our galaxy, as an amateur astronomer I understand the distances involved and the amounts of energy necessary to travel among the stars. Even disregarding the sheer improbability of finding another civilization, the time and resources required for interstellar travel make make it highly improbable any civilization would launch such an expedition. Even if they or we did, the travel time would take hundreds of years at best, with no hope of a return on investment

CFI is a place to discuss inquiries of all sorts. It is also a place to base beliefs on evidence. We can see lightning and germs. We can detect radiation outside the visual spectrum. Lacking solid evidence to the contrary the only logical conclusion is no extraterrestrial civilization has visited Earth.

See this post for more information.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 08:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Right, life somewhere else? No evidence, but sure seems likely.
That ET visited Earth in the last millennium? No evidence and sure seems unlikely.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 08:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Darron, I tend to side with Stephen Hawkins on this subject.  There are many ancient carvings asnd drawings that can be interpretted as life from other places in our universe.  If we use only the physics that we currently understand then the concept of bending the universe would be redundant.  My husband and I drove down to New Mexico years after the Rosewell episode and that entire area was closed up securely.  If there was nothing there, what was all the crap coming from the government about?  We spoke to many scientists on this subject and none of them shoved it back as ridiculous.  I have no way of proving my point of view but I will never close my mind to it.

What I resent is someone labeling this as a religion!

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Posted: 11 October 2011 09:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Sandy Price - 11 October 2011 08:41 AM

Darron, I tend to side with Stephen Hawkins on this subject.  There are many ancient carvings asnd drawings that can be interpretted as life from other places in our universe.

Hawking?  grrr I think you mean von Däniken.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 09:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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George is right. Stephen Hawking has never said extraterrestrials have visited Earth. He warned that we should not be sending signals to announce our location lest we attract the attention of the Borg, or some such nonsense. Sandy, even though it offends you, believing things without evidence is bordering on religious thought. If you have some credible evidence alien civilizationss have visited Earth I am open to reviewing it. A few pictographs that could be interpreted as alien visitations are not credible evidence.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 09:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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While I love science-fiction involving other beings, I recognize that it’s fiction.  My own reasoning leads me to guess that the probability of life existing on many, many other planets is very high because under conditions similar to earth’s the chemical reactions leading to self-replication seem extremely likely.  And, the likelihood of earth-like planets among the “billions and billions” of them to quote Sagan is also extremely high.

However, it seems that every time I turn around there’s new research reporting one more block to interstellar travel.  The earliest was the speed limitation to that of light, but now worm holes can’t exist at larger than an electron, and so on.  My only hope is that we learn how to jump back and forth between universes in different dimensions, and that’s pretty doubtful.  In addition, the energy required to move interstellar distances would almost certainly preclude it.

As such, I have to say yes to other beings but no to us ever having been visited by them.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 10:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Occam, I’m not at that point yet.  I am a romantic dreamer searching for intelligence here and out there.  Over the years many made fun of dreamers who felt but did not know that the world was round.  Galilao was imprisoned for his statements.  During the Inquisitions, anyone who did not believe in any God were burned at the stake. 

When I was a teenager my grandmother told me the story of Daniel who had a book that should have been included in the bible.  It was because he spoke of Mary Magdelene as being Jesus’s wife and was pregnant at the time of his death.  I thought nothing of this until I read “The DaVinci Code” and there it was.  Over the years, the various Popes designed the Catholic beliefs and it contained all the silly stuff we know is in the bible today.  All of this impacts my way of thinking and I remain open to all things of this world and beyond. 

The world runs on these bible stories and it does not make them true but it makes them part of our civilization.  I wanted my own kids to keep their minds open to all knowledge.  If much of it turns out to be lore, they are bright enough to handle it.  That is my job.  I’m learning everyday that I log into CFI.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 10:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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I keep my mind open to knowledge too, Sandy. I’m still waiting for credible evidence of alien visitations.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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I need to add one more thing here. As Richard Feynman said in his famous monologue on beauty (recently linked to by Sandy in another tread) I also have, just like Feynman, “different degrees of certainty about different things,” and my “degree of certainty” that von Däniken was wrong is actually not that clear. I know there is zero evidence for his theory on aliens ever visiting our planet in the past, but judging by the “indirect evidence” from the ancient texts and art, I am not so convinced that it never happened.

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Posted: 11 October 2011 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Nah, the Prime Directive would have prevented them from allowing the primitives to learn about them.  LOL

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