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Posted: 16 October 2011 02:33 PM   [ Ignore ]
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It just occurred to me, since the old testament, or much of it, is used by all three Abrahamic religions, there seems to be the interpretation that copulation that doesn’t have the likelihood of pregnancy is prohibited, then sex in heaven, including the seventy-two virgins must not be allowed.  Think of all those salivating young suicide bombers who find out they’ve been lied to when they get there.  LOL

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Posted: 16 October 2011 03:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Occam. - 16 October 2011 02:33 PM

It just occurred to me, since the old testament, or much of it, is used by all three Abrahamic religions, there seems to be the interpretation that copulation that doesn’t have the likelihood of pregnancy is prohibited, then sex in heaven, including the seventy-two virgins must not be allowed.  Think of all those salivating young suicide bombers who find out they’ve been lied to when they get there.  LOL

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Posted: 16 October 2011 04:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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That’s the fun thing about religion.  You don’t have to be consistent.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 07:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Mr. Deity had the last laugh. The 72 virgins are nuns.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 09:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I read on another board that the 72 virgin was a mistranslation and it actually means prunes or some other fruit.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 10:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Wow, they must be really good salesmen to talk young guys into blowing themselves up for 72 prunes in the afterlife.  smile

I would guess that if that were the case, the 72 virgins story would have been more widely debunked.


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Posted: 16 October 2011 10:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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72 virgins doesn’t seem like much variety for eternity to me. Besides, I doubt that is all, or even the chief, motivation for the suicide bombers.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 10:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Occam. - 16 October 2011 10:27 PM

Wow, they must be really good salesmen to talk young guys into blowing themselves up for 72 prunes in the afterlife.  smile

I would guess that if that were the case, the 72 virgins story would have been more widely debunked.


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I don’t think it would be. Which sceptics have any interest in debunking this story?

The other story that potentially needs debunking is the very idea that they do it for reward in the afterlife. That seems damaging because it deflects our attention from understanding why they feel strongly enough about their cause to be prepared to die for it and to harm others for it.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 10:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I understand your comment Stephen, however, you are approaching it as a rational, reasonable person.  I believe that to purposely blow ones self up indicates a person who is far, far from rational.  They have been so thoroughly brain-washed that they cannot reason, only respond to the hatred fed into them, along with some promised rewards they will get.  Some may act solely because of the hatred, but I think some others do look forward to rewards in the afterlife.

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Posted: 16 October 2011 10:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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How does the exact number of virgins remain at 72?  Seems that the mortality rate of muslim men would far exceed the mortality rate of virgin women. So, the number of virgins must inevitably go down or at least “fluctuate”, i.e.  (72 give or take).
Or will virtous women become eternal virgins (servicing the men, forever) when they die? I’ve never heard such promise in scripture, but I wonder what a virtuous woman would think of becoming an eternal virgin, servicing the dead forever?????

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Posted: 17 October 2011 06:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I see everybody is having fun here so I’ll keep it short to avoid sounding like a party pooper, but fundamental Muslims don’t blow themselves up to be with 72 virgins.

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Posted: 17 October 2011 09:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Who likes virgins anyway? Not me.

Yeah, I heard they blow themselves up because they are promised their family would be taken care of, which is a pretty good incentive.

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Posted: 17 October 2011 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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It may or may not be heaven for the martyr but one thing is certain: it sure won’t be heaven for the poor virgins.

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Posted: 17 October 2011 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Occam. - 16 October 2011 10:27 PM

Wow, they must be really good salesmen to talk young guys into blowing themselves up for 72 prunes in the afterlife.  smile

I would guess that if that were the case, the 72 virgins story would have been more widely debunked.


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True but it gave me a moment of amusement imaging their reaction smile

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Posted: 17 October 2011 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Occam. - 16 October 2011 10:27 PM

Wow, they must be really good salesmen to talk young guys into blowing themselves up for 72 prunes in the afterlife.  smile

I would guess that if that were the case, the 72 virgins story would have been more widely debunked.


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I don’t think it would be. Which sceptics have any interest in debunking this story?

The other story that potentially needs debunking is the very idea that they do it for reward in the afterlife. That seems damaging because it deflects our attention from understanding why they feel strongly enough about their cause to be prepared to die for it and to harm others for it.

Stephen

Theres a very good TED talk on this, an insight into the way young boys are indoctrinated. Ill try to find it and post it here.
Found it http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sharmeen_obaid_chinoy_inside_a_school_for_suicide_bombers.html

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Posted: 17 October 2011 10:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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FreeInKy - 17 October 2011 09:44 AM

It may or may not be heaven for the martyr but one thing is certain: it sure won’t be heaven for the poor virgins.

Why not? Those guys blew off their private parts. Nothing for the virgins to fear.  wink

BTW, I have heard that the translation is better given as “many,” not a specific number. It’s like when we say a million, but just mean a bunch.

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