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So what’s with all the dinosaurs? (Creationist museum)
Posted: 25 May 2007 08:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I’ll repost the conclusion of my blog on the matter that I wrote yesterday.

In a way, I think this museum is in small part a great idea. It shows the WHOLE WORLD just how bonkers Ken Ham and his legions are and opens the door to a level of scrutiny that we couldn’t ask for before. The National Academy of Sciences, National Center for Science Education and many others can go in and shred the place (scientifically and rhetorically speaking) and show everyone what is so wrong with all of this drivel. They’ve opened a box for believers in the literal truth so that they might have their faith affirmed by science. It shall come to pass that these attempts to coerce science into a submissive position to religion or at least square the circle of literalist belief with science will fail in the culture at large and this museum will play no small part in it.

You can dress up a turd with all of the perfume you want. It’s still a turd.

You can read the rest of my blog entry (I’ve also linked to Center For Inquiry and Point of Inquiry as well) at Forms Most Beautiful. The blog links to The New York Times article from yesterday too.

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Posted: 01 June 2007 08:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I hope this museum in no way reflects poorly on us folks here in Kentucky who DO NOT subscribe to its quaint little ideas.

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Posted: 01 June 2007 10:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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I think it reflects poorly on Kentucky.  I would not want my sons or my grandchildren going to school in that state.  They would definitely get a hillbilly education.

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Posted: 01 June 2007 10:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Well, to be fair, Mriana, I’m sure there are some good schools in Kentucky.

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Posted: 01 June 2007 10:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I went to school in Kentucky, and I was never taught creationism as even an option.  But, my friends and I did have a daycare teacher fired for distributing Christian propoganda to us after Montessori elementary school.  We read the 1st amendment to the principal, and the next day she was gone.

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Posted: 01 June 2007 12:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Mriana - 01 June 2007 10:09 AM

I think it reflects poorly on Kentucky.  I would not want my sons or my grandchildren going to school in that state.  They would definitely get a hillbilly education.

Well, being a Kentuckian I do understand what you’re saying. It does make us look like idiots. But I assure you this museum in no way reflects the opinions of all Kentuckians. Remember that Camp Quest is a Kentucky-based organization.

Still, I would rather have moved this museum a couple hundred miles north. Or 600 miles east.

Our son is almost 2 so in a few years we’ll really have to deal with the local schools. I confess a certain level of ignorance about our schools at the moment.

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Posted: 01 June 2007 12:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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This might be a good time for you and En to get involved in the school system as volunteers and to serve on committees.  That way you’ll be building a resume that justifies running for the local school board.  That’s the best defense against having the religious right control the curriculum.

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Posted: 01 June 2007 01:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Well, I think it reflects poorly on Kentucky too.

However, that being said, we have some amazing schools here in Kentucky. Transylvania College is in the top 100 of the Nation’s best liberal arts schools and Centre College is in the top 50. The University of Kentucky is one of the top renowned schools in the country in areas of medicine, business & economics, communications, rural health, pharmacology, law, biology and nursing. Berea College ranked #1 on USNews list of Top Comprehensive Colleges in the South. Asbury College was #3 on that same list.

Not everyone in Kentucky is a hick. We don’t really like to be stereotyped as barefoot and pregnant hillbillies…even though we have our fair share of them to say the least….and then these (insert word for questionable character here) come along and put a Creation Museum in our beautiful state. Shame on them.

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Posted: 01 June 2007 05:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Please don’t take offense at the Hillbilly comment.  I’m from Southwest Missouri right where the HQ is for the A of G.  rolleyes  I hate it.  You leave the Queen City though and it seems like you have nothing but Bible thumpin’ Hillbillies.  Like you though, not everyone here is a hick.

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Posted: 02 June 2007 08:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Mriana - 01 June 2007 05:05 PM

Please don’t take offense at the Hillbilly comment.  I’m from Southwest Missouri right where the HQ is for the A of G.  rolleyes  I hate it.  You leave the Queen City though and it seems like you have nothing but Bible thumpin’ Hillbillies.  Like you though, not everyone here is a hick.

Sorry, Mriana, no offense taken.  Didn’t mean for it to sound that way.  red face

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Posted: 02 June 2007 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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I’m glad.  smile  I think we are both stuck in places where we seem like foriegners because Humanists/atheists are like needles in a haystack in the Bible belt.  :( I tell you, I go outside this city it gets worse and everyone seems so backwards and uneducated, yet very wll indoctrinated into X-ianity.  I have relatives near the Arkansas boarder and they, as well as their friends, seem so anti-intellectual that it’s sad.

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Posted: 02 June 2007 09:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Hey Mriana,

We just finished watching a documentary Jesus Camp.  Heard of it??  The reason that I ask is that it is set in Missouri. 

Also, we went through Arkansas in April.  I never saw so many fields and adult porn stores in my life.  Can anyone say “sexual repression”? tongue laugh

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Posted: 03 June 2007 02:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Don’t get me started on that video.  I saw the preview and it upset me.  I consider it emotional abuse of children and is unfortunately very typical of the Evangelical Fundamenalist around this area.  Needless to say, I did not see the movie itself and do not plan on it.

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Posted: 03 June 2007 08:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Well I managed to get through it and it was not pretty. If any other organization on this planet congregated our children en mass, scared them and made them cry(wail/convulse/sob) with shame, guilt and a burden of lies…..we as a nation would not tolerate it….but since it is religion it is socially acceptable.

I said at several occasions to JV that I wasn’t sure I could make it through it. Maybe those of us that live here in the Bible Belt don’t need to watch it…...but those that do not live here and don’t know how scary it can get really need to watch this documentary.

One of the scariest moments in the film was a mother sitting with a child in her lap during children’s church. The minister asked the kids something like who is willing to die for god or who is willing to fight for god or something along those lines….......the mother jerked her child’s hand right up in the air and then reached over to her other son that was sitting beside her and jerked his hand up too….....didn’t miss a lick. The kids looked up and around like…huh? what? oh, ok.

Child abuse? Taken to level that yet has no name.

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Posted: 03 June 2007 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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There is a short thread on Jesus Camp HERE.

FWIW, I believe the Jesus Camp was shut down following the furor.

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