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Homophobes. Your nipples prove that you could have been Gay.
Posted: 22 November 2011 10:20 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Homophobes. Your nipples prove that you could have been Gay.

Zygotes are conceived as female. As they progress to embryos, chemical activity in the womb decides if that person will become a male or a female; or all the variations in between that we see in nature.

We are all whatever we are by the luck of the draw and we are all somewhere between heterosexual and homosexual. We likely all have a proportion of both and we mature to whatever nature, Gay or straight, predominates within us.

Homophobes target Gays as somehow un-natural. This is clearly wrong as Gays are generally born from heterosexual parents who are quite natural from the homophobic view. Even you my friend might produce a Gay child or grand child.

If homophobes are to hate Gays, their hate is misplaced. It is the creator of the Gay nature that, if anyone, should be hated. That is, the parents. These parents are people who are just as “normal” as you think you are.

If yours is a creator God, then God is the one you should hate as he directly created their Gay nature.

You are killing the messenger but you ignore the sender of that messenger. That is completely immoral and you target the innocent Gays instead of the guilty parents, or God.

If you are a male, just look at your nipples and recognize that you could have been born a female and that it is just chemical activity that made you a heterosexual male. Nipples are quite useless on men. Although I must admit that when my wife gives mine attention, I like and notice. That aside.

Just a bit more or less of your mothers chemistry and you would be one of the ones you hate. Remember that.

Change the labels in this quote to read women or Gays and it still show what we should all be thinking and doing for each other.

“First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I’m not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I’m not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I’m not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me.” – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Homophobes.
Does contemplating your nipples change your wrong view of who to hate enough for you to repent from your lack of tolerance of Gays?

Be you R C or Protestant, how about giving woman equality as well. They have earned it putting up with you.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 10:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Maybe I’m confused because it sounds like you’re addressing religious homophobes, but there are none that I know of here. Or are you just trying to address potential religious homophobe lurkers?

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Posted: 22 November 2011 12:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Domokato, one has to differentiate between introduction of a discussion and babbling.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 02:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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domokato - 22 November 2011 10:52 AM

Maybe I’m confused because it sounds like you’re addressing religious homophobes, but there are none that I know of here. Or are you just trying to address potential religious homophobe lurkers?

Any and all homophobes.
I hope you are not going to tell me that none here are.
If so then I have my stock answer that the crew here should take example, as poorly written as it is, and take something like it where it and they can do some good.

I wrote this more for religious homophobes who blame God for their own shortcomings but all homophobes are in the same camp IMO.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Greatest I am - 22 November 2011 02:29 PM

I hope you are not going to tell me that none here are.

Like I said, I don’t know of any, and I’ve been here a good while. See this thread for a sampling of what people here think about homosexuals: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/12019/

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Posted: 22 November 2011 04:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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We’ve had the occasional atheist homophobe show up, but they generally don’t stick around for long, they usually go away after insulting us, when they don’t find anyone to accept their bigoted views.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 05:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Come to think of it, some fishes and amphibians have the best of it. They are born hermaphrodite and are able to enjoy the role of both genders during their life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite#Sequential_hermaphrodites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichogamy

IMO, this is a clear example of evolution where old species are hermaphrodite, slowly differentiating into dedicated males and females. But its still in our genes somwehere…. tongue rolleye

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Posted: 22 November 2011 05:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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domokato - 22 November 2011 02:55 PM
Greatest I am - 22 November 2011 02:29 PM

I hope you are not going to tell me that none here are.

Like I said, I don’t know of any, and I’ve been here a good while. See this thread for a sampling of what people here think about homosexuals: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewthread/12019/

Checked it out.

Darn. I guess I will have to just accentuate that quote at the end and forget the rest at this location.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 05:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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asanta - 22 November 2011 04:42 PM

We’ve had the occasional atheist homophobe show up, but they generally don’t stick around for long, they usually go away after insulting us, when they don’t find anyone to accept their bigoted views.

I hear you.
Because I confront them elsewhere, I get a lot of that.

I take it with a grain of salt and hope the lurkers are turned off.
They are basically my target. The literalists and fundies I seldom get much out of except for dogma and again, the hope is that lurkers observe and judge well.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 05:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Write4U - 22 November 2011 05:39 PM

Come to think of it, some fishes and amphibians have the best of it. They are born hermaphrodite and are able to enjoy the role of both genders during their life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite#Sequential_hermaphrodites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichogamy

IMO, this is a clear example of evolution where old species are hermaphrodite, slowly differentiating into dedicated males and females. But its still in our genes somwehere…. tongue rolleye

Life is tenacious and will find a way. Nature hates a vacuum.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 06:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Greatest I am - 22 November 2011 05:57 PM
asanta - 22 November 2011 04:42 PM

We’ve had the occasional atheist homophobe show up, but they generally don’t stick around for long, they usually go away after insulting us, when they don’t find anyone to accept their bigoted views.

I hear you.
Because I confront them elsewhere, I get a lot of that.

I take it with a grain of salt and hope the lurkers are turned off.
They are basically my target. The literalists and fundies I seldom get much out of except for dogma and again, the hope is that lurkers observe and judge well.

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So you are posting for the lurkers. You coulda just said that. I don’t know how I feel about this, though. These are discussion forums after all, not a personal blog.

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Posted: 22 November 2011 06:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Not to worry DL,

My first few posts here were dualistic, directed at both skeptics and “conditioned minds”. But that does not work well, all you accomplish is to alienate both sides….. cheese

Skeptics are peculiar in that they want clarity (disambiguation) backed by facts, fundies are conditioned to believe vague (ambiguous) assertions. For purposes of discussion they are mutually exclusive and cannot be mixed.

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Posted: 23 November 2011 06:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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domokato - 22 November 2011 06:26 PM
Greatest I am - 22 November 2011 05:57 PM
asanta - 22 November 2011 04:42 PM

We’ve had the occasional atheist homophobe show up, but they generally don’t stick around for long, they usually go away after insulting us, when they don’t find anyone to accept their bigoted views.

I hear you.
Because I confront them elsewhere, I get a lot of that.

I take it with a grain of salt and hope the lurkers are turned off.
They are basically my target. The literalists and fundies I seldom get much out of except for dogma and again, the hope is that lurkers observe and judge well.

Regards
DL

So you are posting for the lurkers. You coulda just said that. I don’t know how I feel about this, though. These are discussion forums after all, not a personal blog.

Oh I discuss with individuals no problem. I just know where success may lie.
Have you ever had a literalist or fundy change his mind publicly?

I have but it is rare.

They would have to care and think of the issues to do so and they will not because they do not care and do not really follow their religion.
They are in it for tradition and culture. That is quite easy to prove.

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Posted: 23 November 2011 06:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Write4U - 22 November 2011 06:55 PM

Not to worry DL,

My first few posts here were dualistic, directed at both skeptics and “conditioned minds”. But that does not work well, all you accomplish is to alienate both sides….. cheese

Skeptics are peculiar in that they want clarity (disambiguation) backed by facts, fundies are conditioned to believe vague (ambiguous) assertions. For purposes of discussion they are mutually exclusive and cannot be mixed.

It is said that men of intelligence can discuss things they do not believe in.

I was a skeptic with an open mind before my apotheosis.
Seems you are describing two factions that have closed their minds.
I hope you are wrong.

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Posted: 23 November 2011 06:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Greatest I am - 23 November 2011 06:29 AM
Write4U - 22 November 2011 06:55 PM

Not to worry DL,

My first few posts here were dualistic, directed at both skeptics and “conditioned minds”. But that does not work well, all you accomplish is to alienate both sides….. cheese

Skeptics are peculiar in that they want clarity (disambiguation) backed by facts, fundies are conditioned to believe vague (ambiguous) assertions. For purposes of discussion they are mutually exclusive and cannot be mixed.

It is said that men of intelligence can discuss things they do not believe in.

I was a skeptic with an open mind before my apotheosis.
Seems you are describing two factions that have closed their minds.
I hope you are wrong.

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DL

That is not precisely what I meant. I was talking about introducing two different viewpoints without qualifiers. It’s confusing.

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Posted: 23 November 2011 09:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Write4U - 22 November 2011 06:55 PM

Not to worry DL,

My first few posts here were dualistic, directed at both skeptics and “conditioned minds”. But that does not work well, all you accomplish is to alienate both sides….. cheese

Skeptics are peculiar in that they want clarity (disambiguation) backed by facts, fundies are conditioned to believe vague (ambiguous) assertions. For purposes of discussion they are mutually exclusive and cannot be mixed.

It is said that men of intelligence can discuss things they do not believe in.

I was a skeptic with an open mind before my apotheosis.
Seems you are describing two factions that have closed their minds.
I hope you are wrong.

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DL

That is not precisely what I meant. I was talking about introducing two different viewpoints without qualifiers. It’s confusing.

All good FMPOV.
Confusion we like to take to order and that kicks the logic and reason in.
If one makes the effort that is.

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