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A question about humanism
Posted: 02 November 2012 09:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 121 ]
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The “Golden Rule” also runs into problems when masochists are involved.  Talk about fertile ground for some hilarious faux pas. LOL

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Posted: 02 November 2012 10:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 122 ]
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Good point. smile

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Posted: 02 November 2012 10:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 123 ]
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Occam. - 02 November 2012 09:54 AM

Quoting Write4U:

I like the golden rule, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”  as a general humanistic philosophy.

That version has always bothered me.  The slight change a famous Rabbi made seems much better to me.  First the problem with this.  I love Chinese food but German food is just OK.  You hate Chinese food but love German food.  I decide to take you to dinner.  Since I would be happy if you brought me to a Chinese restaurant, following the golden rule, I bring you to a Chinese restaurant and not a German one.

The better statement is:  Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.

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A benefit of the original version would be that you get to have Chinese food and your guest gets an opportunity to desensitize to his aversion to Chinese food.

(I don’t have a problem with a little self interest being involved in relating to others.)

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Posted: 02 November 2012 01:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 124 ]
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“Treat others in the way they like to be treated.” This “rule” was initiated by Dr. Tony Alessandra
He maybe just translated the famous Rabbi? I prefer that one to the Golden too.
I neither like German not Chinese foods so would feel very sad if forced to eat any of that.

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Posted: 02 November 2012 04:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 125 ]
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OK, Tim.  I love MSG so I bring him to a Chinese restaurant that uses it in everything and he’s allergic to it.  My self-interest might be tempered when he tries to eat the food and vomits on the table. sick LOL

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Posted: 02 November 2012 04:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 126 ]
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What if they would have you kneel before them and worship them?

Sorry, Occam, I can’t buy into that one.

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Posted: 02 November 2012 05:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 127 ]
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Dead Monky - 02 November 2012 09:58 AM

The “Golden Rule” also runs into problems when masochists are involved.  Talk about fertile ground for some hilarious faux pas. LOL

I don’t believe the golden rule is a literal concept which “forces” you to act the way you want someone to act toward you. It is intended to be a restrictive concept not an advocacy for action.

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Posted: 02 November 2012 05:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 128 ]
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Write4U - 02 November 2012 04:55 PM

What if they would have you kneel before them and worship them?

Sorry, Occam, I can’t buy into that one.

While I was thinking of an answer to this, Write4U, I read your response to Dead Monky in the following post, and you answered yourself better than I could have.  LOL

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Posted: 04 November 2012 11:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 129 ]
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Write4U - 02 November 2012 05:05 PM
Dead Monky - 02 November 2012 09:58 AM

The “Golden Rule” also runs into problems when masochists are involved.  Talk about fertile ground for some hilarious faux pas. LOL

I don’t believe the golden rule is a literal concept which “forces” you to act the way you want someone to act toward you. It is intended to be a restrictive concept not an advocacy for action.

I don’t believe what I wrote was a statement of literal seriousness.  More an exercise in facetiousness. wink

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Posted: 04 November 2012 12:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 130 ]
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Dead Monky - 04 November 2012 11:52 AM
Write4U - 02 November 2012 05:05 PM
Dead Monky - 02 November 2012 09:58 AM

The “Golden Rule” also runs into problems when masochists are involved.  Talk about fertile ground for some hilarious faux pas. LOL

I don’t believe the golden rule is a literal concept which “forces” you to act the way you want someone to act toward you. It is intended to be a restrictive concept not an advocacy for action.

I don’t believe what I wrote was a statement of literal seriousness.  More an exercise in facetiousness. wink

I bet that you have big facetiousness muscles.  (I notice that you exercise a lot.) (This is not a come on. I’m just exercising, too.)

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Posted: 04 November 2012 12:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 131 ]
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LOL You cheeky monkey, you. LOL

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Posted: 07 November 2012 11:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 132 ]
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Occam. - 02 November 2012 09:54 AM

The better statement is:  Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.

Or Confucius’ original version: “Do not treat others as you would not have them treat you.”  It doesn’t carry any obligation to go out of your way to do things, but simply not to treat others badly.

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Posted: 07 November 2012 11:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 133 ]
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advocatus - 07 November 2012 11:34 AM
Occam. - 02 November 2012 09:54 AM

The better statement is:  Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.

Or Confucius’ original version: “Do not treat others as you would not have them treat you.”  It doesn’t carry any obligation to go out of your way to do things, but simply not to treat others badly.

I think that I like that version the best.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 06:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 134 ]
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advocatus - 07 November 2012 11:34 AM
Occam. - 02 November 2012 09:54 AM

The better statement is:  Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.

Or Confucius’ original version: “Do not treat others as you would not have them treat you.”  It doesn’t carry any obligation to go out of your way to do things, but simply not to treat others badly.

I agree that it is good. Apart from that double negation looks incredibly logic to me smile
I am logically challenged so I prefer the more simple “treat others as they want to be treated”

I tested to google it. Put this in the search box for google. with exclamation marks

“treat others as they want to be treated”

Seems to be rather popular too. The good thing is that one start to listen to the other
in another way than if one start with ones own take on how I don’t want to be treated by them.
Or if I force my own preferences on them.

By using these words “treat others as they want to be treated” one get a hint
that one have to find out how they want to be treated before one even try
to act towards them based on ones own preferences on treatment.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 10:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 135 ]
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You’re right, Fred.  Empathy and understanding (knowledge about) the other person are essential.

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