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Posted: 13 January 2012 01:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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LuckyBezel - 13 January 2012 01:18 PM
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LuckyBezel,

Do you believe that homosexuality is a belief?

9 in 1O people believe that homosexuality is not a belief but rather a lifestyle.

What people believe is irrelevant to what is fact. And LB, you missed the question that W4U put to you.

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Posted: 13 January 2012 04:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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LuckyBezel - 13 January 2012 01:18 PM

9 in 1O people believe that homosexuality is not a belief but rather a lifestyle.

1) Citation for your numbers please?
2) Consider that it is entirely possible for 9 in 10 people to be wrong.

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Posted: 13 January 2012 04:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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LuckyBezel - 13 January 2012 01:18 PM
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LuckyBezel,

Do you believe that homosexuality is a belief?

9 in 1O people believe that homosexuality is not a belief but rather a lifestyle.

And that’s where they are wrong.  The remaining 10% are scientists and medical doctors who have studies the subject and do not have that belief.
It is the same thing as saying 4 billion people believe in a god so they must know more than the 1 million scientist who know how the universe actually works.  Mass ignorance does not prove anything.

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Posted: 13 January 2012 07:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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in addition, I rather doubt the validity of that ratio.  It may be the case in the rural, small evangelical church L.B. belongs to, especially if the minister has pontificated from the pulpit to that effect.

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Posted: 14 January 2012 02:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Occam. - 13 January 2012 07:31 PM

in addition, I rather doubt the validity of that ratio.  It may be the case in the rural, small evangelical church L.B. belongs to, especially if the minister has pontificated from the pulpit to that effect.

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Especially if you consider that somewhere between 5 and 10% of the population is LGBT, factor in family members and friends who actually love and accept them…that 9 out of 10 ratio falls flat right out the gate.

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Posted: 14 January 2012 06:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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LuckyBezel - 13 January 2012 01:18 PM
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LuckyBezel,

Do you believe that homosexuality is a belief?

9 in 1O people believe that homosexuality is not a belief but rather a lifestyle.

It’s not either.

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Posted: 14 January 2012 03:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Damn, you are right. M.A.  I hate it when I get sucked in to arguing about internal errors when the whole stupid presentation is completely flawed.  snake

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Posted: 14 January 2012 05:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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LuckyBezel, where do you get your ideas?  None of them are factual and how can you state that what an atheist believes when you don’t seem to know anything about atheism.

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Posted: 14 January 2012 06:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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LuckyBezel - 13 January 2012 01:18 PM
Write4U - 11 January 2012 02:30 PM

LuckyBezel,

Do you believe that homosexuality is a belief?

9 in 1O people believe that homosexuality is not a belief but rather a lifestyle.

This may help your understanding and knowledge on the subject.

http:    //www.gallup.com/poll/6961/What-Percentage-Population-Gay.aspx

Copy and paste in the webpage addy bar. Then close the space after http:  (the link seems to be blacklisted).

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Posted: 16 January 2012 05:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Uh, what does it even mean for homosexuality to be a “belief” vs a “lifestyle”? Both sound like they imply choice. What are we even arguing about? It looks like LuckyBezel’s initial comment was just comparing converting believers to converting homosexuals, which is actually very hard since it isn’t a choice for them.

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Posted: 16 January 2012 05:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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It looks to me like 9 out of 10 atheists believe in having odd arguments.

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Posted: 16 January 2012 06:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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No, I think nine out of ten atheists are used to challenging irrational statements no matter how silly they may be.

I suppose it’s in response to the idea from Mein Kampf (paraphrased): If you tell enough lies the other side will not have the time to refute them all so people will believe the ones that have not been shown to be false.

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Posted: 16 January 2012 07:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Occam. - 16 January 2012 06:36 PM

No, I think nine out of ten atheists are used to challenging irrational statements no matter how silly they may be.

I suppose it’s in response to the idea from Mein Kampf (paraphrased): If you tell enough lies the other side will not have the time to refute them all so people will believe the ones that have not been shown to be false.

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Ok, I’m sorry. I was using hyperbole to amuse myself. There.  I admit it.

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Posted: 16 January 2012 07:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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It’s probably more like 3 out of 10…  Kidding!

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Posted: 16 January 2012 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Hey, from my experience with some other atheists I’m quite willing to buy that ratio. LOL

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