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Atheists face uphill climb with new political party
Posted: 05 January 2012 04:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 05 January 2012 03:46 PM

I just don’t like the idea of skeptics separating themselves out of the mainstream and creating a 3rd party (or 4th one or 5th etc.) when we’re trying to convince our neighbors to think about an alternative to their superstitions. I like having an Obama sticker next to my N’chips fish and evolution stickers. And NAP is too close to NSDAP if you know what I mean. We might attract a few dyslexic skinheads and that’s a scary thought. We’re trying to separate politics and religion and the christians will see us as attempting to legislate out their belief system, perish the thought! That would be similar to the South’s anger over the abolitionist party. It led to a war.
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I agree, the more parties the greater the confusion.
I don’t mind a fiscally conservative party. OTOH I believe in socially progressive ideas. A two party system, when it works, will balance each other with compromise between good programs and cost control.

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Posted: 05 January 2012 04:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Dennis Duffy (30 Rock) said it best. When asked about his political orientation he responded, “Social conservative, fiscal liberal”.

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Posted: 05 January 2012 04:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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domokato - 05 January 2012 04:14 PM

Dennis Duffy (30 Rock) said it best. When asked about his political orientation he responded, “Social conservative, fiscal liberal”.

I disagree, I consider myself to be a “fiscal conservative, social liberal”, i.e. good social programs applied efficiently with a minimum of waste.

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Posted: 05 January 2012 04:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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(30 Rock is a comedy show. The joke is that no one would claim to be a fiscal liberal, so what’s the point of calling yourself a fiscal conservative? - Everyone is)

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Posted: 05 January 2012 04:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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How about a fiscal moderate? It gives politicans a little breathing room for those delightful pork barrel projects. That’s how Romney’s opponents are attacking him BTW.


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Posted: 05 January 2012 05:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I find it curious that the fiscal conservatives espouse the concept that “investment in business”, i.e. capitalization, modernization, efficiency, is the best possible way for capitalism (business) to work.
But when it comes to “investment in the nation”, i.e. infrastructure, education, healthcare, social security, they believe that decapitalization (cutting) is the only way to run a modern society.

Have we become so removed from reality to think that this will create a better nation?

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Posted: 05 January 2012 05:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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domokato - 05 January 2012 04:28 PM

(30 Rock is a comedy show. The joke is that no one would claim to be a fiscal liberal, so what’s the point of calling yourself a fiscal conservative? - Everyone is)

ok, a good parody… grin

But in reality there is no economic connection between “conservative” and “liberal”. The proper opposite to the term “conservative” is “progressive”  The opposite of “liberal” is “restrictive”.

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Posted: 05 January 2012 06:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Hey, I’m a fiscal liberal.  I believe we should spend a great deal of money on education, health, alternative energy, environmental protection, etc. by collecting very high progressive {now, that’s where that word belongs) taxes.

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Posted: 05 January 2012 07:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Occam. - 05 January 2012 06:49 PM

Hey, I’m a fiscal liberal.  I believe we should spend a great deal of money on education, health, alternative energy, environmental protection, etc. by collecting very high progressive {now, that’s where that word belongs) taxes.

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Are you also a fiscal liberal in funding undeclared wars, building private airports for congressmen, building bridges to nowhere, cadillac healthcare and lifetime pensions for congress, tax incentives to outsource jobs?

Should we not be fiscally responsible (conservative) in how we spend any taxes for any purpose?

The programs you mentioned are liberal spending on socially progressive programs which need adequate funding. The examples I mentioned are wasteful spending and need fiscal restraint. It is meaningless to extract high taxes on anybody if those taxes do not benefit the nation as a whole. This is where one should be fiscally conservative (restrictive).

btw. I do agree with a progressive tax structure on individual income from any source.

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Posted: 05 January 2012 08:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 05 January 2012 03:46 PM

I just don’t like the idea of skeptics separating themselves out of the mainstream and creating a 3rd party (or 4th one or 5th etc.) when we’re trying to convince our neighbors to think about an alternative to their superstitions. I like having an Obama sticker next to my N’chips fish and evolution stickers. And NAP is too close to NSDAP if you know what I mean. We might attract a few dyslexic skinheads and that’s a scary thought. We’re trying to separate politics and religion and the christians will see us as attempting to legislate out their belief system, perish the thought! That would be similar to the South’s anger over the abolitionist party. It led to a war.


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  There is always succession - we would only need a small territory, since there are so few freethinkers as is.

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Posted: 06 January 2012 06:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Do you mean secession Mike? Yea, the neocons would love that!!! They’d start backing up the trucks to put us in right now, barb wire off the territory and you have a concentration c… I mean reservation for freethinkers. Rick Sanctorum [sic] and his RC raiders would love that!!


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Posted: 06 January 2012 11:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Are you also a fiscal liberal in funding undeclared wars, building private airports for congressmen, building bridges to nowhere, cadillac healthcare and lifetime pensions for congress, tax incentives to outsource jobs?

My “etc.” certainly didn’t include any of these as one might guess from the list I made.

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Posted: 06 January 2012 08:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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josh_karpf - 05 January 2012 05:56 AM

According to the article, this micro-movement didn’t attract interest on Facebook until it changed its name from the “Freethought Party” to the “National Atheist Party.” So while “National Secular Party” “Party of Reason” may sound like worth partying about in a humanist forum, the evidence is against that in a larger forum.

On the other hand, the mostly politically liberal platform—“gay marriage (for it) gun control (tighten it), abortion (a woman’s decision), immigration (reform it), energy (green it), and the economy (legalize recreational drugs to create revenue and jobs)”—will limit the party’s appeal even among atheists, never mind humanists and other freethinkers.

Maybe that’s because more inflammatory labels attract more people than less inflammatory labels in the short term. That’s also not a great way to organize a movement in the long term.

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Posted: 07 January 2012 04:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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josh_karpf - 04 January 2012 05:43 AM

Atheists face uphill climb with new political party

By Kimberly Winston
Religion News Service
January 3, 2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/atheists-face-uphill-climb-with-new-political-party/2012/01/03/gIQAjs4oYP_story.html

How viable is a political party with the word “atheist” in its name?

Troy Boyle, a corporate legal representative for a finance company, thinks very viable. Last March, he and a friend founded the National Atheist Party, which they believe to be the first American political party organized on the belief that God does not exist. . . .

First called the Freethought Party, its original Facebook page attracted only a couple hundred members. But when the name was changed to the National Atheist Party, supporters started streaming in, currently more than 8,200. . . .

“We are convened with the idea that the Founding Fathers had it right,” Boyle said in an interview. “The separation of church and state, the establishment of the U.S. as a secular nation — those two concepts are our watchwords. We don’t want government to impose a religion, and we don’t want government to impose no religion. We want government to be silent with regards to religion.” . . .

John Green, a political scientist at the University of Akron and an expert on religion and politics, says the NAP may be the first American political party to organize itself around atheism. But such issues-based parties have a long history of dotting the American political landscape — before disappearing. . . .

I am not the least bit interested in any political party that places its religious beliefs or lack there of as its main reason for existence.

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Posted: 07 January 2012 04:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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That’s why i like the term Secular Humanist Party (SHP).  There is no way that one can credibly demonize such a name.

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