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Which came first, the chicken or the egg
Posted: 06 February 2012 01:26 PM   [ Ignore ]
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One of my favorite comics takes on the topic!

http://sci-ence.org/vapid-arguments/

The answer seems to be that at some point in the very recent past, the first fully domesticated chicken was hatched from an egg laid by it’s mother, who was almost-but-not-quite a domesticated version of the jungle fowl. But wait—was the egg a jungle fowl egg because it came from a jungle fowl or was it a chicken egg because it hatched a chicken? Yikes!  LOL

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Posted: 06 February 2012 01:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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FreeInKy - 06 February 2012 01:26 PM

One of my favorite comics takes on the topic!

http://sci-ence.org/vapid-arguments/

The answer seems to be that at some point in the very recent past, the first fully domesticated chicken was hatched from an egg laid by it’s mother, who was almost-but-not-quite a domesticated version of the jungle fowl. But wait—was the egg a jungle fowl egg because it came from a jungle fowl or was it a chicken egg because it hatched a chicken? Yikes!  LOL

Great story, er lesson, who says comics can’t be informative

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Posted: 06 February 2012 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Well done. I like it.  grin

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Posted: 06 February 2012 02:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Hmmm, what a conundrum. No first chicken and no first egg. What will the pullet pundits do with this one? No matter, Colonel Sanders wins anyway!

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Posted: 06 February 2012 05:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Assume for the moment that the genus to which the species of chicken belongs is mammalian.  Then, at what point would the fertilized ovum in a pre-chicken species become the embryo of a chicken? 

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Posted: 07 February 2012 05:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Occam. - 06 February 2012 05:59 PM

Assume for the moment that the genus to which the species of chicken belongs is mammalian.  Then, at what point would the fertilized ovum in a pre-chicken species become the embryo of a chicken? 

It depends. If your Catholic, it occurs a moment before insemination.  LOL

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Posted: 07 February 2012 09:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Many Moons ago I was at a computer training seminar in Dayton Ohio.

A man asked me that chicken and egg question.  I said egg.  He asks, “What laid the egg?”

I said, “A dinosaur.”

He said, “I don’t think I want to talk to you anymore.”  LOL

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Posted: 07 February 2012 04:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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FreeInKy - 07 February 2012 05:53 AM
Occam. - 06 February 2012 05:59 PM

Assume for the moment that the genus to which the species of chicken belongs is mammalian.  Then, at what point would the fertilized ovum in a pre-chicken species become the embryo of a chicken? 

It depends. If your Catholic, it occurs a moment before insemination.  LOL

Damned Catholic chickens, always making things complicated.

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Posted: 15 February 2012 06:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Well, if you believe in a religion, sure it was the chicken because religion talks that all animals were created.

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Posted: 15 February 2012 07:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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psikeyhackr - 07 February 2012 09:27 AM

Many Moons ago I was at a computer training seminar in Dayton Ohio.

A man asked me that chicken and egg question.  I said egg.  He asks, “What laid the egg?”

I said, “A dinosaur.”

He said, “I don’t think I want to talk to you anymore.”  LOL

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Confirmed true.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13772-t-rex-kinship-with-chickens-confirmed.html

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Posted: 15 February 2012 07:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Not related, but interesting new twist in the evolutionary process.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328524.800-prions-point-to-a-new-style-of-evolution.html

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Posted: 15 February 2012 11:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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FreeInKy - 06 February 2012 01:26 PM

One of my favorite comics takes on the topic!

http://sci-ence.org/vapid-arguments/

The answer seems to be that at some point in the very recent past, the first fully domesticated chicken was hatched from an egg laid by it’s mother, who was almost-but-not-quite a domesticated version of the jungle fowl. But wait—was the egg a jungle fowl egg because it came from a jungle fowl or was it a chicken egg because it hatched a chicken? Yikes!  LOL

It occurred to me that eating eggs may be instrumental to our continued possession of the reptilian part of our brain, but on further reading I found that the term “reptilian brain” actually refers to a still earlier brain structure. The “triune brain”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_complex

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Posted: 18 February 2012 06:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Since this post is in the science section, the appropriate response comes from science in the wiki on Chicken or the egg

The modern chicken was believed to have descended from another closely related species of birds, the red junglefowl, but recently discovered genetic evidence suggests that the modern domestic chicken is a hybrid descendant of both the red junglefowl and the grey junglefowl. Assuming the evidence bears out, a hybrid is a compelling scenario that the chicken egg, based on the second definition, came before the chicken.

This implies that the egg existed long before the chicken, but that the chicken egg did not exist until an arbitrary threshold was crossed that differentiates a modern chicken from its ancestors. Since this arbitrary distinction cannot be made until after the egg has hatched, one would have to first find the original chicken, then from this find the first egg it laid.

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Posted: 18 February 2012 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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psikeyhackr - 07 February 2012 09:27 AM

Many Moons ago I was at a computer training seminar in Dayton Ohio.

A man asked me that chicken and egg question.  I said egg.  He asks, “What laid the egg?”

I said, “A dinosaur.”

He said, “I don’t think I want to talk to you anymore.”  LOL

psik

I use that answer too, but then they always ask me who laid the first egg….

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Posted: 18 February 2012 03:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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asanta - 18 February 2012 02:57 PM
psikeyhackr - 07 February 2012 09:27 AM

Many Moons ago I was at a computer training seminar in Dayton Ohio.

A man asked me that chicken and egg question.  I said egg.  He asks, “What laid the egg?”

I said, “A dinosaur.”

He said, “I don’t think I want to talk to you anymore.”  LOL

psik

I use that answer too, but then they always ask me who laid the first egg….

Then you ask, “what is an egg”? That’ll stop them.

a. A female gamete; an ovum. Also called egg cell.
b. The round or oval female reproductive body of various animals, including birds, reptiles, amphibians, fishes, and insects, consisting usually of an embryo surrounded by nutrient material and a protective covering.

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Posted: 18 February 2012 03:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Thanks! I’ll do that! LOL

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