Well from what I found:
Since the late 50s people started writing about it. So basicly all the info they got was old and could easy be faked. The first people to investigate the case were sceptical about it:
- In February 1936, Shri Bal Chand Nahata, a rationalist and staunch disbeliever, interrogated Shanti Devi and some related persons. He published his report in the form of a small booklet in Hindi entitled Punarjanma Ki Parayyalochana. He concludes his brief study by saying: “Whatever material that has come before us, does not warrant us to conclude that Shanti Devi has ‘former life recollections or that this cases proves reincarnation.” (Nahata, undated).
However wiki says:
Two further reports were written at the time, one critical of the reincarnation claims,and a rebuttal it’s “Sen, Indra. “Shantidevi Further Investigated”. Proceedings of the India Philosophical Congress. 1938”. Indra Sen MA, LL.B., PH.D was a devotee of Sri Aurobindo and The Mother [since 1934], psychologist, author, and educator, and the founder of Integral Psychology as an academic discipline. So HE CAN’T BE REALLY UNprejudiced And still here is what I found about his argument: Dr. Indra Sen had also made a close study of the case. He took Shanti Devi to Mathura and Brindaban and “tested her memories on new points.” In April 1939 he secured the cooperation of a hypnotist and, “attempted to get her recollection of her former life in a hypnotic state.” Dr. Sen wrote, “I am confident that Shanti has certain memories which are not of ‘here and now’.” Doesnt sound like someone who is sure of it. This however can be explained by modern science [under hypnosis human brain can recall all sort of infromation, known from stories, books…]
- In July 1939 Mr. Sushil Bose interrogated Shanti Devi and her father in Delhi and Kedarnath Choube at Mathura. He has reported the interviews in complete details, but has not expressed his own opinion or comments about the case. [If you discover person who can proof that there is a GOD, would you ceep calm or would you share it with the world?! ] Bose also interrogated Shanti about her experiences between her death in her former life and her reincarnation into the present one
Here is what he shows from the interview… However I couldnt find any info about him as a scinetist
Question: Do you remember how you felt at the time of death?
Answer: Yes, Just before death I felt a profound darkness and after death I saw a dazzling light. Then and there I knew I had come out of my body in a vaporous form and that I was moving upwards…. I saw that four men in saffron robes had come to me… All the four seemed to be in their teens and their appearance and dress were very bright… They put me in a cup and carried me…. It was about nine or ten inches abroad and rectangular in shape…
Q: Did you not ask them any thing about the river?
A: When asked they said that those who aspired for a higher life sincerely, but who had committed fleshly wrong in this life, were dipped in the river before moving any higher. They took me… to the fourth place.
Q: Is there any place to live there at night?
A: No, there are no houses or dwelling places. All is open space. …Arriving on the fourth place I saw that there are still more saints, brighter in appearance then those on the third plane. And in the midst of them, seated on a huge dazzling throne was lord Krishna [one of most popular Hindu gods]. He was showing each person a record of his activities on earth, good and bad, and accordingly what would be his condition in the future.
Q: What happened then?
A: Then those persons, who had carried me, took me to a place like a staircase where it was very bright. I was seated there.
Q: Is there any thing like darkness or light there?
A: No, nothing like light or darkness. It was all full of light. It was all day and light, very mild, and smoothing and enlivening light.
Q: Did you have a sense of time? Can you say how long you stayed there?
A: No, I can’t say how long I remained there. I had no feeling of time.
Q: Did you feel there was any higher plane above the one where you were?
A: Yes, I observed and felt there was a higher place but I can’t say thing about it. I … in the fourth plane, near the throne of Lord Krishna, I saw one with a long beard.
Q: What finally happened?
A: After remaining on the staircase for a long time I was taken to a dark room, from all sides of which a very bad smell was coming out. I was made to lie down in a clean place there.
Q: Did you feel any pain at the time of death? Did you see any thing at that time?
A: I did not feel any pain. I simply passed into a state of unconsciousness, and at that very moment I saw very brilliant light.
- In 1961 Dr. Ian Stevenson (1974a, 1974b, 1977, 1978, 1983, 1987) also studied the sources for this case. He writes that “the accounts available to me indicate that Shanti Devi made at least 24 statements of her memories which matched the verified facts.” —By this time the girl should be 25 years old, a women who can have benefits from the myth about her. However it is possible that she just was still deluded about here past…
- One of us, Dr. K.S.Rawat, interviewed Shanti Devi on February 3, 1986, and October 30, 1987. He had recorded his first interview with Shanti Devi on an audiocassette and the second and third meeting was recorded on a videocassette. - This can not be taken as any proof at all…
Mistakes that she made:
came to Delhi on November 12, 1935, with Lugdi’s son Navneet Lal and his present wife. They went
to Rang Bahadur’s house the next day. To mislead Shanti Devi, Kanjimal introduced Kedarnath as the
latter’s elder brother. Shanti Devi blushed and stood on one side. Someone asked why she was
blushing in front of her husband’s elder brother. Shanti said in a low firm voice, “No, he is not my
husband’s brother. He is my husband himself.” Then she addressed her mother, “Didn’t I tell you
that he is fair and he has a wart on the left side cheek near his ear?”
Now if she did told them that her past life husband has fair skin and wart on his sheek, and they found one who fits the ide, then it is not a miricle that she was able to identify him.
- The dialect that the story claims is just using the word ” Mathura” and then there happened to be a town, which name was different, but the locals called it Mathura too
asked her how she had recognized Navneet as her son, when she had seen him only once as an
infant before she died. Shanti explained that her son was a part of her soul and the soul is able to
easily recognize this fact.
Now this is strange, because then she must be born with the part of the souls of her RIGHTFULL parents, right?! => Every time a person is born he should then have a soul-part of his parents souls, not his own…
-During his stay at Delhi, Kedarnath found Shanti Devi’s behavior similar to that of Lugdi in many
ways. Before retiring for the night, he asked to be allowed to talk with her alone and later said that
he was fully convinced that Shanti Devi was his wife Lugdi Bai because there were many things she
had mentioned which no one except Lugdi could have known.
So I could be that the guy decided to pretend that she told him true facts and that way he could become a “super star”, after all being “husband” of a “saint” should be fun. I mean if you find out that your wife is living in the body of other human, then you probably will try to take care of her, to wait untill she become on age and re-marry her…
- Her story spread all over the country through the media and many intellectuals got interested in it.
When Mahatma Gandhi heard about it, he called Shanti Devi, talked to her, and then requested her
to stay in his ashram. (When I interviewed Shanti Devi in 1986, she still remembered the incident.)
Gandhi appointed a committee of 15 prominent people, including parliamentarians, national
leaders, and members from the media, to study the case. The committee persuaded her parents to
allow her to accompany them to Mathura. They left by rail with Shanti Devi on November 24, 1935.
The committee’s report describes some of what happened:
So hi might told her a lot of things, which she ten remembered. Its win-win he can then easy make people more eaven religious. After all its like “dont worry that you live like a sh*t this life, because the next life will be soo much better”
-She told that she knows a place with hidden money [by her in her past life]
As for the buried money, Shanti Devi took the party to the second floor and showed them a
spot where they found a flower pot but no money. The girl, however, insisted that the money was
there. Kedarnath later confessed that he had taken out the money after Lugdi’s death.
Yeah… no money, but the guy can always say that he took them.
-“The first incident which attracted our attention on reaching Mathura happened on the platform
itself. The girl was in L. Deshbandhu’s arms. He had hardly gone 15 paces when an older man,
wearing a typical Mathura dress, whom she had never met before, came in front of her, mixed in the
small crowd, and paused for a while. She was asked whether she could recognize him. His presence
reacted so quickly on her that she at once came down from Mr. Gupta’s lap and touched the
stranger’s feet with deep veneration and stood aside. On inquiring, she whispered in L.
Deshbandhu’s ear that the person was her ‘Jeth’ (older brother of her husband). All this was so
spontaneous and natural that it left everybody stunned with surprise. The man was Babu Ram
Chaubey, who was really the elder brother of Kedarnath Chaubey.”
If he looks like the “husband”, who she allready sow, then it can’t be so hard to tell that he might be his older brother. Plus she already knew that there is an older borther . But still it is not sure if she told that, because she “whispered” to Mahatma’s man
- When she was taken to her parents’ home, where at first she identified her aunt as her mother, but
soon corrected her mistake, she went to sit in her lap. She also recognized her father in low.
If she cant recognize her mother, then who ?! Wasnt she who said that “the child is part of the soul, and the soul can recognize the child easy”. Then if there are 2 females in the house sure if not the first one, the second will be the mother… And then she recognizes the father in low, which is strange, as she has no blood or soul connection with him
- Shanti Devi was then taken to Dwarkadhish temple and to other places she had talked of earlier and
almost all her statements were verified to be correct.
So 60 years from them it is “almost all “, it can be that they were “just few”, but with time people started to exaggerate
I couldnt do any more, and I dont think its enought, but the fact is that the first 2-3 years, when the scientist tolked to her, she told nothing special and she started to show more knowage after Mahatma’s intervention is problematic
Can you give some thoughts?!