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Posted: 03 March 2012 05:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Bross,  I like Yusuf Estes.  It is very easy for me to understand what he says.  Some of the other guys have a heavy accent and I can’t quite make out what they say. 
Be alert now.  There are two very important things that you should know.

1.  Atheists believe that all religions are false.

2.  The fact that Christianity is False - does not prove that Islam in true.

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Posted: 04 March 2012 05:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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bross - 03 March 2012 05:44 AM

Difference between them
Yusuf Estes missionary in the past has its place in Christian
Then converted to Islam

So Islam is the right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3Ptiv1ZWw

I used to go to a Pentecostal Christian church, then converted to atheism, so atheism is right.

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Posted: 04 March 2012 06:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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If you wear a napkin on your head, does that make you right? Ah, religious paraphenalia. And you trumped me Darron, I started out a Baptist, then Christian Church, then Presbyterian, then Methodist, never got on the super fundie track but my Grandmothers were. Dad’s Mom could talk in tongues. Fundies were scary when I was a kid.

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Posted: 04 March 2012 07:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Torah and the Gospels and the Psalms, and the Holy Qur’an
Wrote celestial source and one which is(ALLAH)
Ordered the deployment of the prophets of God and conveying the message to the people
Therefore, the rights to choose the way of God and the prophets and holy books, which contain the teachings of the divine
Or walk and follow the path of the devil and death

This is it simply
Holy Qur’an is the natural extension of the Torah and the Gospel
But unfortunately
Torah and the Gospel was distortion
So people say completely different

God says in the Holy Qur’an

136. Say (O Muslims), “We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma’il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya’qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya’qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and ‘Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).”

285. . The Messenger (Muhammad) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, “We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers” - and they say, “We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all).”

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Posted: 04 March 2012 07:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZneNRzV90

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Posted: 04 March 2012 07:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Bross, you are failing the Turing test.

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Posted: 04 March 2012 07:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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DarronS - 04 March 2012 07:08 AM

Bross, you are failing the Turing test.

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Posted: 04 March 2012 12:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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DarronS - 04 March 2012 05:21 AM
bross - 03 March 2012 05:44 AM

Difference between them
Yusuf Estes missionary in the past has its place in Christian
Then converted to Islam

So Islam is the right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3Ptiv1ZWw

I used to go to a Pentecostal Christian church, then converted to atheism, so atheism is right.

 

Of atheism
  To convert to Islam


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK0SztzvCmE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhDUlbD9YLo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIRgNCJN8I4&feature=related

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Posted: 05 March 2012 11:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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bross - 04 March 2012 12:56 PM
DarronS - 04 March 2012 05:21 AM
bross - 03 March 2012 05:44 AM

Difference between them
Yusuf Estes missionary in the past has its place in Christian
Then converted to Islam

So Islam is the right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3Ptiv1ZWw

I used to go to a Pentecostal Christian church, then converted to atheism, so atheism is right.

 

Of atheism
  To convert to Islam


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK0SztzvCmE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhDUlbD9YLo&feature=related


The very intelligent man on these videos who converted from atheism to Islam was the child of a devout kind Catholic mother and an abusive alcoholic father.  I would guess that this was fertile emotional ground for the development of a psyche that would take to the theism of Islam, which involves complete submission to the “most compassionate” deity.  I would be interested in seeing the stats on the percentage of persons who convert to Islam who have a background of some sort of history of authoritarian abuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIRgNCJN8I4&feature=related

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Posted: 05 March 2012 09:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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TimB - 05 March 2012 11:03 AM
bross - 04 March 2012 12:56 PM
DarronS - 04 March 2012 05:21 AM
bross - 03 March 2012 05:44 AM

Difference between them
Yusuf Estes missionary in the past has its place in Christian
Then converted to Islam

So Islam is the right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3Ptiv1ZWw

I used to go to a Pentecostal Christian church, then converted to atheism, so atheism is right.

 

Of atheism
  To convert to Islam


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK0SztzvCmE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhDUlbD9YLo&feature=related


The very intelligent man on these videos who converted from atheism to Islam was the child of a devout kind Catholic mother and an abusive alcoholic father.  I would guess that this was fertile emotional ground for the development of a psyche that would take to the theism of Islam, which involves complete submission to the “most compassionate” deity.  I would be interested in seeing the stats on the percentage of persons who convert to Islam who have a background of some sort of history of authoritarian abuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIRgNCJN8I4&feature=related

Damn, that’s a good connection.    http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Am-A-Convert-To-Islam/237704  Here’s a link to a forum with some individuals who have converted.

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Posted: 05 March 2012 10:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Not too many people convert FROM Islam, even if they want to, because the Sharia Law penalty for apostasy is death.

No religion that commands adherence through fear of death, can possibly be “right”.

That’s aside from all the other stuff that’s wrong with Islam; Jihad, Fatwa, subjugation of women, the Hijab….....

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Posted: 06 March 2012 03:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Hi Bross,

Here is a little note on Religion and Atheism that you might find interesting:
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In Truth you will find peace

We all seek the Truth, for in the Truth we will find peace.

The Hindu has found the Truth in Brahma – and then has found peace.

The Buddhist has found the Truth in Buddha – and then has found peace.

The Taoist has found the Truth in Laozi – and then has found peace.

The Jew has found the Truth in the Lord – and then has found peace.

The Christian has found the Truth in Jesus – and then has found peace.

The Muslim has found the Truth in Allah – and then has found peace.

But for the Atheist, Truth is a beautiful elusive mistress – to be sought - to be approached – but never obtained.  Pity the poor Atheist – who will never find peace.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 04:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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I am sorry Ted, in spite of the beautiful poetry in that proposition, i must respectfully disagree.
truth
Definition

truth[ trooth ]
NOUN
1. something factual: the thing that corresponds to fact or reality
“If you tell the truth, you have nothing to fear.”
“spoke the truth”
2. true quality: correspondence to fact or reality
3. true statement: a statement that corresponds to fact or reality
“His story was a mixture of truths and untruths.”
4. obvious fact: something that is so clearly true that it hardly needs to be stated
5. something generally believed: a statement that is generally believed to be true
“a religious truth”
6. honesty: honesty and sincerity
“I can say in all truth that I never knew about his crimes.”
7. conformity: adherence to a standard or law
8. loyalty: faithfulness to a person or a cause ( dated )
9. U.K. accuracy: accuracy of alignment, setting, position, or shape ( dated )

Nowhere is the term truth associated with peace. One might find peace in complete falsehoods, as long as one believes it to be true.
Moreover there is no evidence that atheism does not bring peace. For some the search itself brings peace, knowing that it makes absolutely no difference if we do find truth. And for some peace is the knowledge that s/he has tried to live according to humanist tenets.
Ritual to pay homage to a Truth can be made in infinite ways, though i will stipulate that in order for anyone to find their truth requires self-reflection and knowledge of one’s limitations.  Unfortunately, religions are exclusive by definition and do not respect someone else’s truth. Any certainty of believing their truth is the only truth is hubris. It is all relative, as Einstein explained in his truth.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Right W4U. It is silly rhetoric to equate truth with peace. But silly rhetoric is truly where the religious find peace, so it’s no surprise that we see it everywhere.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 09:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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I am surprised that I have to explain the meaning in the context to you guys; however, it should be apparent that in the mind of a “Person of Faith”, belief in one’s deity is “Truth” and “Peace” is contentment of one’s soul.  It is true that the word “Truth” has a very different meaning for Believers and for Atheists – so I thought that it would be a clever play on words.  Evidently, I missed the mark.
  My objective was to open up a dialogue with believers – not banter on technicalities with atheists.
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