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Considering the Jet Stream and Anthropogenic Global Warming
Posted: 07 March 2012 06:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Thanks for the reminder, Wrtite4U. I should have removed the part that was regarding your comment and only left what I was commenting on about speculation and advice.

And YES, that is a nice tip. Going to investigate that and see what I can see !

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Posted: 07 March 2012 06:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Posted: 08 March 2012 11:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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George I must say I’m disappointed that rather than admitted that indeed the connection between a warming globe and our planet’s jet stream rests on solid knowledge as much as common sense… you slink away.

And excuse me for lashing out at a collective behavior, and not intended as a personal insult (since I don’t know how much of a denialist/contrarian you actually are), still I’m reminded of the oh so typical tactic of the AGW denialists that they make weak points with unjustified certitude, but when shown to be wrong, either blather on ignoring all points made, or revert to the blissful silence of willful ignorance. 

I’ve yet to hear one skeptic admit to having learned something new about our planet’s dynamics no matter how many valuable learning opportunities they’ve been handed.

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Posted: 08 March 2012 11:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 08 March 2012 11:49 AM

I’ve yet to hear one skeptic admit to having learned something new about our planet’s dynamics no matter how many valuable learning opportunities they’ve been handed.

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Seriously, most people do not come here to learn but to preach.  downer

Keep up the fight CC!

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Posted: 08 March 2012 12:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 08 March 2012 11:49 AM

I don’t know how much of a denialist/contrarian you actually are

Give me a break, CC.

Sorry for the edit note.  I hit the wrong button the first time.

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Posted: 08 March 2012 01:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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George - 08 March 2012 12:41 PM
citizenschallenge.pm - 08 March 2012 11:49 AM

I don’t know how much of a denialist/contrarian you actually are

Give me a break, CC.

Yeah, I don’t see George this way. Stubborn on the genetic thing maybe, but I’ve seen him admit when he’s wrong. BTW, my comment about most people coming here to preach rather than learn was not directed at George. You always have interesting thoughts George! Feel the love!  cheese

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Posted: 08 March 2012 01:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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traveler - 08 March 2012 01:16 PM

Feel the love!  cheese

In real life, I am actually a very lovable person. But in real life, I don’t usually go around saying what’s on my mind.  smile

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Posted: 09 March 2012 07:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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You know Travel I pretty much agree with your comment at #21 -
I was just feeling pissy… But… then look at what George does!
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George - 08 March 2012 12:41 PM
citizenschallenge.pm - 08 March 2012 11:49 AM

I don’t know how much of a denialist/contrarian you actually are

Give me a break, CC.

If that ain’t the favorite denialist tactic of all, take a few words out of a sentence or paragraph, focus on them and spin them to one’s hearts content…. all the while ignoring what the original paragraph was trying to express.

For the record, I doubt George is a died in the wool denialist/contrarian, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t resort to their tactics.
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Now back to the point at hand - the jet stream’s behavior is being influenced by current global warming. . .  and it is ridiculous to assume the jet stream can somehow remain independent.

We are warming the entire global and all physical phenomena on that global are being influenced and slightly altered by that global warming - that is beyond “common sense” that is known science and every new season’s batch of studies reconfirms as much.

The only way to avoid those facts and proofs is to ignore them which is what the Skeptical/denialist community have turned into such a high art form. And yes, that is something worth getting pissed over   vampire


But ok now that I got that out, how about a big group hug.  kiss  cheese

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Posted: 09 March 2012 05:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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citizenschallenge.pm - 08 March 2012 11:49 AM

I don’t know how much of a denialist/contrarian you actually are

Give me a break, CC.

  I love it. LOL Two great members, each of whom have extremely strong views on their particular topics, being annoyed at each other about how one deals with the topic of the other.  LOL  LOL  LOL

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Posted: 15 April 2012 12:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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I came across this informative article regarding that Arctic Ocean Jet Stream connection that I must share:

  Arctic Warming is Altering Weather Patterns, Study Shows
        •      Published: April 3rd, 2012
  By Andrew Freedman
  http://www.climatecentral.org/news/arctic-warming-is-altering-weather-patterns-study-shows/

  By showing that Arctic climate change is no longer just a problem for the polar bear, a new study may finally dispel the view that what happens in the Arctic, stays in the Arctic.

  The study, by Jennifer Francis of Rutgers University and Stephen Vavrus of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, ties rapid Arctic climate change to high-impact, extreme weather events in the U.S. and Europe.

 

Also see http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

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Posted: 28 April 2012 09:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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YouTube’s Greenman3610 has released another video worth watching.

Weird Winter - Mad March - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTAZue6ylZ8

This one belongs here because it has some of the best global graphics recording Jet Stream behavior I’ve seen, very cool, though the message Earth is telling us is very scary.

Also, the scientist’s comments support my previous comments regarding a connection between global warming, losing Arctic Ice Sheet, warming Arctic Ocean, evaporation patterns and influences upon the jet stream’s behavior… triggering further cascading outcomes.

George please look at some of this stuff,
do you still dismiss that there is a known connection between {and impact from} global warming and melting arctic ice?


Also another first class video reviewing what scientists are observing {actually it’s related to Greenman3610’s video}

BBC Horizon - Global Weirding (2012)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi7WOQde7fI&feature=related

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Posted: 01 October 2012 06:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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I’ve been really busy lately so haven’t had much time to visit here, though I miss you folks.

But I did come across something yesterday and it reminded me of this thread
and since this scientist is an expert and does a great job of explaining the state of the science regarding the dynamic of the Arctic and it impact global climate patterns.  I felt I needed to share it, for those interested in understanding our self-induced rapidly changing climate dynamics.

Here’s the short 16 minute YouTube version video of a longer talk she gave.
Does Arctic Amplification Fuel Extreme Weather in Mid-Latitudes?

Published on Mar 29, 2012 by noiv
Jennifer Francis, Rutgers University, 25 January 2012.

The “Arctic Paradox” was coined during recent winters when speculations arose that the dramatic changes in the Arctic may be linked to severe snowstorms and cold temperatures in mid-latitudes, particularly along the U.S. east coast and in Europe. Recent studies have illuminated these linkages. Evidence is presented for a physical mechanism connecting Arctic Amplification—the enhanced warming in high northern latitudes relative to the northern hemisphere—with the frequency and intensity of several types of extreme weather events in mid-latitudes, such as droughts, floods, heat waves, and cold spells.

Also check out Dr. Francis’ full presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtRvcXUIyZg
and the related paper:
http://marine.rutgers.edu/~francis/pres/Francis_Vavrus_2012GL051000_pub.pdf

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Posted: 30 June 2013 02:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Here’s an update on the state of the science:

Arctic Amplification (Extreme Weather): Jennifer Francis June 6, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY0RdXmLGdU

Published on Jun 23, 2013


This video is part of a Climate Desk event “Climate Desk Live 06/06/13: The Alarming Science Behind Climate Change’s Increasingly Wild Weather” featuring top climate researcher Jennifer Francis.
Watch the full event (including Stu Ostro on atmospheric thickness)

For more detail on Francis’s research, see:
Arctic Warming Favors Extreme, Prolonged Weather Events ‘Such As Drought, Flooding, Cold Spells And Heat Waves’ thinkprogress.org

NOAA Bombshell: Warming-Driven Arctic Ice Loss Is Boosting Chance of Extreme U.S. Weather -thinkprogress.org

How Arctic Ice Loss Amplified Superstorm Sandy — Oceanography Journal -thinkprogress.org

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Posted: 14 February 2014 07:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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George - 07 March 2012 10:24 AM

Yes, CC, common sense tells us that GW must affect the jet stream for the very reasons you mention above. But common sense is not evidence. Sorry.

Yea this is evidence

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Arctic+Amplification+2013&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=1if-UojUEuL4yQHHzoAg&ved=0CCgQgQMwAA

but the silence remains - and nothing’s been learned
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While the interval since the last post has been filled with many more Jet Stream weirding forcing extreme and destructive weather pattern.
Anyone notice what happen in the UK past two weeks?


PS Arctic Amplification (Extreme Weather):
Jennifer Francis June 6, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY0RdXmLGdU
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Yo Geo.,  Almost forgot:

Friday, October 25, 2013

Colorado Floods - statistical certainty vs geophysical realities
http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2013/10/colo-floods-statistics-vs-physics.html

… at least when I open my mouth I feel compelled to support it   ;- )

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Posted: 15 February 2014 09:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Heck check this out, I didn’t know about this one earlier - genuinely hot off the presses!

15 February 2014 Last updated at 14:32

Wavier jet stream ‘may drive weather shift’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26023166

By Pallab Ghosh

New research suggests that the main system that helps determine the weather over Northern Europe and North America may be changing.

The study shows that the so-called jet stream has increasingly taken a longer, meandering path.

This has resulted in weather remaining the same for more prolonged periods.

The work was presented at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in Chicago.

The observation could be as a result of the recent warming of the Arctic. Temperatures there have been rising two to three times faster than the rest of the globe.

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