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Posted: 19 March 2012 05:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 121 ]
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Rocinante - 19 March 2012 05:10 PM
DarronS - 19 March 2012 04:26 PM

Why are so people so stupid that they keep voting for these hypocrites?

It was because of his good looks, his ability to give a great speech (with a lot of help from his ever-present teleprompter) and a friendly media that never properly vetted him and his radical friends and background purposely misrepresenting him as some sort of centrist moderate.

Well, that explains Ronnie Raygun. How do you explain Shrub?

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Posted: 19 March 2012 06:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 122 ]
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Rocinante - 19 March 2012 05:07 PM
traveler - 19 March 2012 03:54 PM

Where does it mention the impeachment of Obama???

You are correct.  My mistake and I apologize for it.  He could be talking about impeaching Eric Holder, since the Attorney General apparently lied under oath

I assumed that since Obama is the one who ordered it, and who knew about it before the AG, and since it is his administration who is using this tragedy to try and further gun control, and since he is the boss when it comes to this, he needs to man up and accept some responsibility.  Harry Truman: “The buck stops here!”  Barack Obama: “The buck never got here!”  Give me a break.  What did Obama know, when did he know it and why did he allow it to happen?

Yeah, you show no prejudice towards Obama at all.  tongue wink

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Posted: 20 March 2012 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 123 ]
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Trayvon Martin!  What an absolute tragedy!  This is why the argument for self-defense is ridiculous. 
The people who make the argument for it are in one way or another just like this Zimmerman idiot.
They base their arguments on unfounded fears, Hollywood interpretations of life, and usually a severe superiority/inferiority complex-or other such skewed rationality.
Yes, I know the Martin boy incident is anecdotal.  Just another statistic to be used in the rhetoric war!
The Stand your ground law!  What a joke!
On the question of why….well we have long standing racist ideas about black people being more violent, more “up to no good”!
That’s why!!

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Posted: 21 March 2012 10:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 124 ]
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Rocinante - 19 March 2012 03:34 PM
Occam. - 19 March 2012 01:25 PM

Since the Executive branch of government is designed to execute the laws and the Legislative branch is designed to make the laws, isn’t the question more:  Why hasn’t the Republican controlled House passed any laws restricting the gun sales you mentioned, Rocinante?

I think this may also be in the Tu quoque realm.  Are you trying to break a record in using them?  grin  cheese 

But to answer your question, yes, without a doubt, the Republicans have dropped the ball on this one.  Both sides need to step up to the plate on this one.  And at least one Republican has started to take a step in the right direction in rightfully suggesting that the impeachment of Obama should be seriously considered over this.  That would be a good start. But, yes, they need to do more and should hang their heads in shame that they haven’t done more already.

Yes, very neat.  This is the new Republican strategy. The Republican controlled congress fails to act on their constitutional responsibility and even blocks every proposal from the Administration, and then turn around and blame Obama for not taking action without the approval of the congress.

This is a despicable tactic and unfortunately you seem to have bought into this hook line and sinker. Republicans are obstructionists, bordering on sedition, and then blame the black president for all their failures. You seem to have forgotten the very first promise made by the Republicans in congress.
“Our singular focus will be to bring this president down”. This my friend, is seditious speech no matter how you read it.
Now you speak of “impeachment” of a president for ‘dereliction of duty”?  I’ll be generous and consider your viewpoint as based on bad advice and false information.
To me the alternative is unthinkable. It reminds me of Hitler’s excuse for starting WWII, by “provoking” a border incident with Austria and using that Austrian “aggression” to invade Austria, the beginning of WWII.  Sorry, but you won’t get a smiley from me….. sick

Your attitude makes it possible for a race hating self-appointed neighborhood vigilante to gun down a 17 yr old black kid with with a hoodie, carrying a cup of ice-tea and a bag of skittles, claiming he murdered this kid in self-defense. Yes, very neat.

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Posted: 21 March 2012 11:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 125 ]
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Anyone seen the latest casualties in our “unfunded” foreign wars, advocated by the neo-cons (and stockholders in the military industrial complex) under a Republican president and Congress.
The count is now 6390 causalities (dead) and how many more maimed and wounded, and a few trillion dollars in Treasure. Remind me again of the desirability of guns and the national debt, for which Obama is now blamed. Of course, his declared decision to start a timely wirdrawal is now attacked by the Republicans as either a “cut and run” or as “not fast enough”.  Give me a freaking break!!!!!!!!!!

Yes let’s elect Santorum who will install Christian (Sharia) law, or Romney, who has promised to make everyone a millionaire by making the elderly and infirm pay for the national debt, by cutting every healthcare program that have been in force for decades and so far have not added a penny to the national debt. Kinda like laying off all the workers of a company and then breaking up the company and selling it in bits and pieces.  Good for Romney, bad for hard working people who only asked to be able to provide for their families, let alone become millionaires.
Republicans (at least their leaders) are liars and anyone buying into their garbage will live to regret it, mark my words.

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Posted: 22 March 2012 07:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 126 ]
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Yes let’s elect Santorum who will install Christian (Sharia) law, or Romney, who has promised to make everyone a millionaire by making the elderly and infirm pay for the national debt, by cutting every healthcare program that have been in force for decades and so far have not added a penny to the national debt. Kinda like laying of all the workers of a company and then breaking up the company and selling it in bits and pieces.  Good for Romney, bad for hard working people who only asked to be able to provide for their families, let alone become millionaires.
Republicans (at least their leaders) are liars and anyone buying into their garbage will live to regret it, mark my words.

This has been the Republican mantra for the last 20 years and yes, millions of Americans buy into it because the word “liberal” has been successfully vilified in the minds of most conservatives, many of whom couldn’t tell a socialist idea from a monkey’s ass. They just hear “he’s a socialist with a Muslim middle name” and believe every email virus and every neocon talking head on TV. Many of us are politically IGNORANT!!!!! Americans typically shy away from politics as being too complicated and slavishly follow anyone with a buzz word (like socialist, commie, illegal immigrant and other words not to be written on this forum) and cast their vote for the most religious and patriotic flagwaver on the hustings. Strawman tactics win every time. Listen to the preacher Santorum visited and you’ll hear what most conservatives really feel viz. “Murica, love it er leave it” or dressed up a bit: “don’t like our beliefs about god and country? Go to Russia”! We don’t want your kind.


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Posted: 22 March 2012 09:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 127 ]
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Wow. Loaded topic. Pardon the pun.

As I reside in a fairly docile Canadian community of less than 100,000 people there is no real reason for personal ownership of guns here at all save for those who like to go to the mountains and hunt game.  Therefore I cannot relate to the “need” for guns. I can agree to the “right” to have one but really cannot say we “need” them. The money made by manufacturers of weaponry depend on lobbying efforts to maintain people’s idea that they need to have firearms of many descriptions and for some it appears “the bigger the better” although for what I’m not sure.

The tobacco industry works on the same premise. Sure you have the right to smoke. Sure you can have as many as you want. You should have the right to do as you please. Cigs don’t kill people. Smoking them does. rolleyes

As a race I see us in an infancy stage with all these things. We have obviously got a long way to go. In time and in future generations I do believe we will make sense of these things and we must rely on and teach the young to have a clearer vision than we. Simply imparting the same old dogma into each generation does not help us. Politics only serves to get in the way of this process.

As a human race we are not very good at making change. We fight it. We fear it. And it is this fear that drives a lot of our basic decision making. It always has. Our history is rife with fear as the motivation for doing things.  We still cling to this like some sort of liferaft hoping it will show us the way rather than doing it ourselves. We are for the most part still too weak minded in general to make meaningful change for future generations. We need to do better. We owe it to our kids and thiers.

I’m probably coming off as a bit pragmatic but….

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Posted: 22 March 2012 12:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 128 ]
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Obama: “People are uncertain and afraid, that’s why they cling to their bibles and their guns”.  No truer words were ever spoken.

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Posted: 22 March 2012 03:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 129 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 22 March 2012 07:47 AM

Yes let’s elect Santorum who will install Christian (Sharia) law, or Romney, who has promised to make everyone a millionaire by making the elderly and infirm pay for the national debt, by cutting every healthcare program that have been in force for decades and so far have not added a penny to the national debt. Kinda like laying of all the workers of a company and then breaking up the company and selling it in bits and pieces.  Good for Romney, bad for hard working people who only asked to be able to provide for their families, let alone become millionaires.
Republicans (at least their leaders) are liars and anyone buying into their garbage will live to regret it, mark my words.

This has been the Republican mantra for the last 20 years and yes, millions of Americans buy into it because the word “liberal” has been successfully vilified in the minds of most conservatives, many of whom couldn’t tell a socialist idea from a monkey’s ass. They just hear “he’s a socialist with a Muslim middle name” and believe every email virus and every neocon talking head on TV. Many of us are politically IGNORANT!!!!! Americans typically shy away from politics as being too complicated and slavishly follow anyone with a buzz word (like socialist, commie, illegal immigrant and other words not to be written on this forum) and cast their vote for the most religious and patriotic flagwaver on the hustings. Strawman tactics win every time. Listen to the preacher Santorum visited and you’ll hear what most conservatives really feel viz. “Murica, love it er leave it” or dressed up a bit: “don’t like our beliefs about god and country? Go to Russia”! We don’t want your kind.


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I support yours and Write4U’s eloquent bombastment of the anti-Obama “conservatives” BS.  However in regards to the “Fast and Furious” fiasco, I lean toward the disbandment of the ATF.  Ever since I 1st heard of the ATF after their Waco debacle, I have held them in low regard.  They simply screwed up again.  I say, disband them and give their funding to the FBI.

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Posted: 22 March 2012 07:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 130 ]
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orthican - 22 March 2012 09:21 AM

Wow. Loaded topic. Pardon the pun.

As I reside in a fairly docile Canadian community of less than 100,000 people there is no real reason for personal ownership of guns here at all save for those who like to go to the mountains and hunt game.  Therefore I cannot relate to the “need” for guns. I can agree to the “right” to have one but really cannot say we “need” them. The money made by manufacturers of weaponry depend on lobbying efforts to maintain people’s idea that they need to have firearms of many descriptions and for some it appears “the bigger the better” although for what I’m not sure.

The tobacco industry works on the same premise. Sure you have the right to smoke. Sure you can have as many as you want. You should have the right to do as you please. Cigs don’t kill people. Smoking them does. rolleyes

As a race I see us in an infancy stage with all these things. We have obviously got a long way to go. In time and in future generations I do believe we will make sense of these things and we must rely on and teach the young to have a clearer vision than we. Simply imparting the same old dogma into each generation does not help us. Politics only serves to get in the way of this process.

As a human race we are not very good at making change. We fight it. We fear it. And it is this fear that drives a lot of our basic decision making. It always has. Our history is rife with fear as the motivation for doing things.  We still cling to this like some sort of liferaft hoping it will show us the way rather than doing it ourselves. We are for the most part still too weak minded in general to make meaningful change for future generations. We need to do better. We owe it to our kids and thiers.

I’m probably coming off as a bit pragmatic but….

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  I’m not exactly sure about what you’re getting at, but fear is not what motivates “gun nuts” - fun is, guns are fun.  That’s why people like them.  FWIW, fear is a good thing and more people need to embrace it.

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Posted: 22 March 2012 07:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 131 ]
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mid atlantic,
I’m not exactly sure about what you’re getting at, but fear is not what motivates “gun nuts” - fun is, guns are fun.  That’s why people like them.  FWIW, fear is a good thing and more people need to embrace it.

I used to have fun at the rifle range and testing my own loads for accuracy. But the only “hunting” I have done was with a camera. I hate killing things, especially if they have no chance to defend themselves. What is the fun of snuffing out a deer at a 200 feet, unless it is for food, but then it is for need, not fun. When killing chickens to feed my family, it always made me sad, yet necessary.

But living in No Idaho boonies one needs a gun for defense against bears, cougars, and people. Of those three I fear people the most and I can do without that kind of fear.

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Posted: 22 March 2012 08:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 132 ]
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Do you really need a gun to protect yourself against bears? I just read that less than one death per year is due to bear attacks. That is about the same number as the fatalities due to shark attacks. Chances of dying due to a bear or shark attack are almost nonexistent. You probably have a higher chance of accidentally shooting yourself with the gun, or even dying in a car accident while driving to the store to buy the gun.

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Posted: 22 March 2012 08:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 133 ]
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And I just looked up deaths due to mountain lion attacks and they don’t seem impressive either: one death per year. But I guess you are going to say that without guns the casualties would be much higher, right? I would still be skeptical since it is in fact very rare for a wild animal to attack a human. So no, Write4U, I don’t think you need a gun.

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Posted: 22 March 2012 08:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 134 ]
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George - 22 March 2012 08:23 PM

And I just looked up deaths due to mountain lion attacks and they don’t seem impressive either: one death per year. But I guess you are going to say that without guns the casualties would be much higher, right? I would still be skeptical since it is in fact very rare for a wild animal to attack a human. So no, Write4U, I don’t think you need a gun.

Better safe than sorry though.

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Posted: 22 March 2012 10:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 135 ]
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George - 22 March 2012 08:23 PM

And I just looked up deaths due to mountain lion attacks and they don’t seem impressive either: one death per year. But I guess you are going to say that without guns the casualties would be much higher, right? I would still be skeptical since it is in fact very rare for a wild animal to attack a human. So no, Write4U, I don’t think you need a gun.

A friend of mine (living in a partly underground hobbit house) had a grizzly try to come through his window (just above ground). He had to shoot it.

In the wilderness, when you have livestock such as horses, goats, pigs, chickens, it behooves to have a big dog, like a shepherd (mine was called Odin), and a gun.
As I stated, the most dangerous animals when living fairly isolated are people. Perhaps you are familiar with the names Christopher Boyce (Falcon and the Snowman) and Randy Weaver (Ruby Ridge). Both incidents happened not 10 miles from where we lived.

Everyone in No. Idaho and Montana has a gun or two. Now that we live in a bigger town I keep them primarily as collectors items along with my stamp collection… cheese .

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