Druyan/Tyson discussion: Science and the Search for God (Merged)
Posted: 27 November 2006 01:25 AM   [ Ignore ]
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The audio for this talk from the American Museum of Natural History is now posted on the web. Click HERE and go to the November 24 podcast.

This was a wonderful discussion between Ann Druyan, Carl Sagan’s widow, and the AMNH’s Neil de Grasse Tyson, with astrophysicist Steve Soter as well.

Although Druyan does not like the term "atheist", prefering to call herself "agnostic", she is atheistic in any relevant sense of the term. She, like Sagan himself, is also very interested in making clear the spiritual depth and complexity of the scientific worldview, believing that it can provide greater fulfillment than traditional religions.

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Posted: 03 January 2009 01:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Just a heads-up. Science and the City has “rebroadcast” this podcast on January 2, 2009. You can find it on their podcast homepage HERE or you can listen to it HERE.

It is titled “Carl Sagan’s Search for God”.

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Posted: 03 January 2009 02:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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thanks for the heads-up on this Dave :)

I always love listening to Druyen (her 2 appearances on POI are among my favourite episodes:) and Neil Degrasse Tyson, so I’m really looking forward to listening to this :)

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Posted: 03 January 2009 03:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Who’s Dave?

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Posted: 03 January 2009 11:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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LOL!

i don’t even know any ‘Daves’ (and, as a Canadian, that’s highly unusual:)

my apologies…...thanks Doug!  :)

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Posted: 04 January 2009 11:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I thought that was great, Doug.  Thanks for sharing that.  I picked up a few more of their podcasts on iTunes and hopefully I can listen to them eventually.  I’m a podcast junkie though.  I can’t seem to listen to all I’ve subscribed to already.

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Posted: 05 January 2009 08:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Wow!  You’re right, that was wonderful!
As an introduction to Ann Druyan I’m blown away.  What an awesome woman.  She’s deep, articulate, beautiful sounding in voice & depth of understanding.  For me worth every minute of the listen, especially considering how much of what she articulated, resonates with my own perspective (she even got some tears outta me).
now I think I’m off to google Ann Druyan ~ but first

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~ a couple highlights ~

why are religions contemptuous of nature?
why not a sense of the sacred in nature?

‘what is science telling us?  That we are part of 13.5 billion year continuum…  star stuff…  ’

‘the thing we should hold highest is that nature is far more magnificent than we can imagine.  If we had a spiritual approach to nature - which was grounded in nature….’

‘science can help provide a framework around which our more primal, poetic, mystical selves can drape its beliefs over…’

Sagan once said:
“I have no problem with a faith that is rooted in the unknown.  It’s when you tell me your faith is rooted in the known, that your understanding of God is complete ~ that’s when I have a problem.”

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Posted: 06 January 2009 05:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Mriana - 04 January 2009 11:17 AM

I thought that was great, Doug.  Thanks for sharing that.  I picked up a few more of their podcasts on iTunes and hopefully I can listen to them eventually.  I’m a podcast junkie though.  I can’t seem to listen to all I’ve subscribed to already.

Glad you all enjoyed. I know the problem, Mriana ... I can’t listen to all the ones I’m signed up for, either. (Though I don’t miss PoI!) Usually I check the subject and if it’s not immediately compelling I delete it. Too much STUFF ...

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Posted: 06 January 2009 12:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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That’s what I do too, but there are certain podcasts, like PoI, that I do not miss/delete.  I always listen to those, no matter what.

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Posted: 11 January 2009 10:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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May I start a new thread based on the American Museum of Natural History discussion:

Carl Sagan’s Search for God ~ discussion with Ann Druyan, Steve Soter, Neil deGrasse Tyson ~ Jan 2, 2009
  It’s a deep worthy discussion, full program including almost a half hour question & answer. (1:22)

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I’m curious how do these basic thoughts, and their implications, fit with an ‘atheistic’ outlook?

Or more important: can such thoughts be used to draw people away from the self made fraud that religions are in our current politicized state?

Is it possible to move forward leaving the “ultimate question of God” in the background?

Placing our full focus on bringing people to understand evolution, our earth’s history, its interconnectedness & fragility?
{The entire Gaia story, the one that I believe needs much more fleshing out & >>> dissemination.}

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  ~  a couple highlights that I took from the discussion   ~

why are religions contemptuous of nature?
why not a sense of the sacred in nature?

‘what is science telling us?  That we are part of 13.5 billion year continuum…  star stuff…  ’

‘the thing we should hold highest is that nature is far more magnificent than we can imagine.  If we had a spiritual approach to nature - which was grounded in nature….’

‘science can help provide a framework around which our more primal, poetic, mystical selves can drape its beliefs over…’

Sagan once said:
“I have no problem with a faith that is rooted in the unknown.  It’s when you tell me your faith is rooted in the known, that your understanding of God is complete ~ that’s when I have a problem.”

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Posted: 11 January 2009 10:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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citizenschallenge - 11 January 2009 10:09 AM

May I start a new thread based on the American Museum of Natural History discussion:

We really do want to keep discussions in the already open threads when we can. Thanks.

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Posted: 11 January 2009 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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dougsmith - 11 January 2009 10:13 AM
citizenschallenge - 11 January 2009 10:09 AM

May I start a new thread based on the American Museum of Natural History discussion:

We really do want to keep discussions in the already open threads when we can. Thanks.


pretty lame.
toss it in the trash bin.
wouldn’t want to actually try to discuss stuff…... would we

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citizenschallenge - 11 January 2009 10:36 PM

wouldn’t want to actually try to discuss stuff…... would we

We are able to discuss stuff in the threads already open to discuss that stuff.

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Posted: 13 January 2009 09:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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dougsmith - 12 January 2009 05:31 AM
citizenschallenge - 11 January 2009 10:36 PM

wouldn’t want to actually try to discuss stuff…... would we

We are able to discuss stuff in the threads already open to discuss that stuff.

I respectfully disagree -
  my post goes in a totally different direction from this thread
  the linked lecture/discussion just happened to inspire it.

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Posted: 14 January 2009 05:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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citizenschallenge - 13 January 2009 09:20 PM

I respectfully disagree -
  my post goes in a totally different direction from this thread
  the linked lecture/discussion just happened to inspire it.

This thread, both my first and second posts over two years apart, was simply noting the existence of the talk. There was no “direction”. This is a useless debate.

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Posted: 15 January 2009 12:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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dougsmith - 14 January 2009 05:29 AM
citizenschallenge - 13 January 2009 09:20 PM

I respectfully disagree -
  my post goes in a totally different direction from this thread
  the linked lecture/discussion just happened to inspire it.

This thread, both my first and second posts over two years apart, was simply noting the existence of the talk. There was no “direction”. This is a useless debate.


sorry.
I’m not debating, I’m respectfully bitching.
                                  Besides, you just made my point.
You were “simply noting the existence of the talk” ~ I want to ask a set of specific questions
and they are lost in this FYI thread.
ok i give up and will find another time to start a fresh post and hopefully burying the reference to said talk deep enough not to get tagged.

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