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Posted: 26 March 2012 02:38 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Someone sent me this chart (Well, it was a chart when I copied it.)

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This chart is awesome! Everyone can use it….
Apples Protects your heart Prevents constipation Blocks diarrhea Improves lung capacity Cushions joints
Apricots Combats cancer Controls blood pressure Saves your eyesight Shields against Alzheimer’s Slows aging process
Artichokes Aids digestion Lowers cholesterol Protects your heart Stabilizes blood sugar Guards against liver disease
Avocados Battles diabetes Lowers cholesterol Helps stops strokes Controls blood pressure Smoothes skin
Bananas Protects your heart Quiets a cough Strengthens bones Controls blood pressure Blocks diarrhea
Beans Prevents constipation Helps hemorrhoids Lowers cholesterol Combats cancer Stabilizes blood sugar
Beets Controls blood pressure Combats cancer Strengthens bones Protects your heart Aids weight loss
Blueberries Combats cancer Protects your heart Stabilizes blood sugar Boosts memory Prevents constipation
Broccoli Strengthens bones Saves eyesight Combats cancer Protects your heart Controls blood pressure
Cabbage Combats cancer Prevents constipation Promotes weight loss Protects your heart Helps hemorrhoids
Cantaloupe Saves eyesight Controls blood pressure Lowers cholesterol Combats cancer Supports immune system
Carrots Saves eyesight Protects your heart Prevents constipation Combats cancer Promotes weight loss
Cauliflower Protects against Prostate Cancer Combats Breast Cancer Strengthens bones Banishes bruises Guards against heart disease
Cherries Protects your heart Combats Cancer Ends insomnia Slows aging process Shields against Alzheimer’s
Chestnuts Promotes weight loss Protects your heart Lowers cholesterol Combats Cancer Controls blood pressure
Chili peppers Aids digestion Soothes sore throat Clears sinuses Combats Cancer Boosts immune system
Figs Promotes weight loss Helps stops strokes Lowers cholesterol Combats Cancer Controls blood pressure
Fish Protects your heart Boosts memory Protects your heart Combats Cancer Supports immune system
Flax Aids digestion Battles diabetes Protects your heart Improves mental health Boosts immune system
Garlic Lowers cholesterol Controls blood pressure Combats cancer Kills bacteria Fights fungus
Grapefruit Protects against heart attacks Promotes Weight loss Helps stops strokes Combats Prostate Cancer Lowers cholesterol
Grapes Saves eyesight Conquers kidney stones Combats cancer Enhances blood flow Protects your heart
Green tea Combats cancer Protects your heart Helps stops strokes Promotes Weight loss Kills bacteria
Honey Heals wounds Aids digestion Guards against ulcers Increases energy Fights allergies
Lemons Combats cancer Protects your heart Controls blood pressure Smoothes skin Stops scurvy
Limes Combats cancer Protects your heart Controls blood pressure Smoothes skin Stops scurvy
Mangoes Combats cancer Boosts memory Regulates thyroid Aids digestion Shields against Alzheimer’s
Mushrooms Controls blood pressure Lowers cholesterol Kills bacteria Combats cancer Strengthens bones
Oats Lowers cholesterol Combats cancer Battles diabetes Prevents constipation Smoothes skin
Olive oil Protects your heart Promotes Weight loss Combats cancer Battles diabetes Smoothes skin
Onions Reduce risk of heart attack Combats cancer Kills bacteria Lowers cholesterol Fights fungus
Oranges Supports immune systems Combats cancer Protects your heart Straightens respiration  
Peaches Prevents constipation Combats cancer Helps stops strokes Aids digestion Helps hemorrhoids
Peanuts Protects against heart disease Promotes Weight loss Combats Prostate Cancer Lowers cholesterol Aggravates Diverticulitis
Pineapple Strengthens bones Relieves colds Aids digestion Dissolves warts Blocks diarrhea
Prunes Slows aging process Prevents constipation Boosts memory Lowers cholesterol Protects against heart disease
Rice Protects your heart Battles diabetes Conquers kidney stones Combats cancer Helps stops strokes
Strawberries Combats cancer Protects your heart Boosts memory Calms stress  
Sweet potatoes Saves your eyesight Lifts mood Combats cancer Strengthens bones  
Tomatoes Protects prostate Combats cancer Lowers cholesterol Protects your heart  
Walnuts Lowers cholesterol Combats cancer Boosts memory Lifts mood Protects against heart disease
Water Promotes Weight loss Combats cancer Conquers kidney stones Smoothes skin  
Watermelon Protects prostate Promotes Weight loss Lowers cholesterol Helps stops strokes Controls blood pressure
Wheat germ Combats Colon Cancer Prevents constipation Lowers cholesterol Helps stops strokes Improves digestion
Wheat bran Combats Colon Cancer Prevents constipation Lowers cholesterol Helps stops strokes Improves digestion
Yogurt Guards against ulcers Strengthens bones Lowers cholesterol Supports immune systems Aids digestion


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I love it.  Two things I eat good quantities of are peanuts (as butter) and tomatoes.  So, what do they do? “Protects against heart disease Promotes Weight loss Combats Prostate Cancer Lowers cholesterol.”  Except that I’m quite healthy other than having heart disease, being overweight, having had prostate cancer, and having high cholesterol. LOL  How the hell can people believe this trash?

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Posted: 26 March 2012 02:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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That’s because peanutt butter is not “natural.” You need real peanuts, and preferably the organic ones, too.

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Posted: 26 March 2012 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Well those are all good foods for you when your healty. Just don’t get sick.

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Posted: 26 March 2012 06:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Occam. - 26 March 2012 02:38 PM

Someone sent me this chart (Well, it was a chart when I copied it.)
LOL  How the hell can people believe this trash?
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That was close! I was reading through the chart thinking I can’t believe Occam believes all of this BS, it’s so unlike him.... and then I got to your comment at the end! LOL

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Posted: 26 March 2012 06:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I see a half dozen things which would cause me to die about 30 min after ingestion from failure to promote my ability to breathe! LOL

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Posted: 26 March 2012 09:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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George - 26 March 2012 02:58 PM

That’s because peanutt butter is not “natural.” You need real peanuts, and preferably the organic ones, too.

Would I make a great quack or what? cheese

You mean, peanut butter is made from fake peanuts?  big surprise

I just realized that I’m a very natural person because I’m an organic chemist. smile

George, you know I think highly of you so I’ll have to take your advice as a board certified quack. LOL

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Posted: 26 March 2012 11:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Occam. - 26 March 2012 09:04 PM
George - 26 March 2012 02:58 PM

That’s because peanutt butter is not “natural.” You need real peanuts, and preferably the organic ones, too.

Would I make a great quack or what? cheese

You mean, peanut butter is made from fake peanuts?  big surprise

I just realized that I’m a very natural person because I’m an organic chemist. smile

George, you know I think highly of you so I’ll have to take your advice as a board certified quack. LOL

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George, that was a great pitch….. LOL  Occam made the most of it…... LOL  LOL

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Posted: 28 March 2012 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I don’t have anything that will cure, but I do have something that will make you forget you are sick.  Its a bottle of liquid medicine with a picture of a wild turkey on the front.  The main side effect is a head ache.

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Posted: 28 March 2012 05:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Occam. - 26 March 2012 02:38 PM

I love it.  Two things I eat good quantities of are peanuts (as butter) and tomatoes.  So, what do they do? “Protects against heart disease Promotes Weight loss Combats Prostate Cancer Lowers cholesterol.”  Except that I’m quite healthy other than having heart disease, being overweight, having had prostate cancer, and having high cholesterol. LOL  How the hell can people believe this trash?

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In roughly 94 or 95, there was a big news story about how lycopene in tomatoes would protect one against prostate cancer.  There was a revision to that study a few years later, showing that lycopene wasn’t nearly as effective as once thought.  Given the selective memory people tend to have, its fairly easy to see why they would forget about the follow up study which said that it wasn’t as effective as previously thought.

Even if it was effective at reducing one’s risk of getting prostate cancer, that some people would manage to come down with prostate cancer is a statistical certainty.  After all, even people taking medications such as Avodart and Proscar to reduce their risk of coming down with prostate cancer can still develop the disease.  Indeed, doctors are beginning to question many of the current treatments for prostate cancer as studies are not yielding definitive results as was previously thought.  Presently, the Prostate Cancer Foundation is advising people at risk of prostate cancer to eat more broccoli.

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Posted: 28 March 2012 07:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 28 March 2012 05:30 PM

In roughly 94 or 95, there was a big news story about how lycopene in tomatoes would protect one against prostate cancer.  There was a revision to that study a few years later, showing that lycopene wasn’t nearly as effective as once thought.  Given the selective memory people tend to have, its fairly easy to see why they would forget about the follow up study which said that it wasn’t as effective as previously thought.

Even if it was effective at reducing one’s risk of getting prostate cancer, that some people would manage to come down with prostate cancer is a statistical certainty.  After all, even people taking medications such as Avodart and Proscar to reduce their risk of coming down with prostate cancer can still develop the disease.  Indeed, doctors are beginning to question many of the current treatments for prostate cancer as studies are not yielding definitive results as was previously thought.  Presently, the Prostate Cancer Foundation is advising people at risk of prostate cancer to eat more broccoli.

This just illustrates the problem that the media causes when it reports on medical issues. When studies such as the ones you mentioned are done they are not done with the public in mind and really should not be reported to the public, at least not in the form that they usually are.

The scientific process of discovery is an evolutionary one. The process begins with very preliminary studies. These may be retrospective studies, animal studies, biochemical studies with no clinical component at all, or small human studies. Such studies never have the statistical power to give anything close to a definitive answer and often their results are overturned later when better studies are done.

The media then incorrectly claims that doctors/scientists have reversed their opinion on a given topic when in fact they never had an opinion in the first place. The media could do everyone a big favor and use these opportunities to educate the public about how the scientific process proceeds. Instead they prefer to go for the shock factor to increase ratings and in the process they make it look like scientists and doctors dont know what they’re talking about which does none of us any good.

P.S. Avodart and Proscar are used to reduce symptoms of BPH ( Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy). They are not approved for use in prostate cancer prevention.

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Posted: 28 March 2012 09:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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In roughly 94 or 95, there was a big news story about how lycopene in tomatoes would protect one against prostate cancer.  There was a revision to that study a few years later, showing that lycopene wasn’t nearly as effective as once thought.  Given the selective memory people tend to have, its fairly easy to see why they would forget about the follow up study which said that it wasn’t as effective as previously thought.

Even if it was effective at reducing one’s risk of getting prostate cancer, that some people would manage to come down with prostate cancer is a statistical certainty.  After all, even people taking medications such as Avodart and Proscar to reduce their risk of coming down with prostate cancer can still develop the disease.  Indeed, doctors are beginning to question many of the current treatments for prostate cancer as studies are not yielding definitive results as was previously thought.  Presently, the Prostate Cancer Foundation is advising people at risk of prostate cancer to eat more broccoli.

This just illustrates the problem that the media causes when it reports on medical issues. When studies such as the ones you mentioned are done they are not done with the public in mind and really should not be reported to the public, at least not in the form that they usually are.

Yes, and schools should spend more money on academics than they do on athletics, but then again, if people always did what they should, we’d have no need for police.

The scientific process of discovery is an evolutionary one. The process begins with very preliminary studies. These may be retrospective studies, animal studies, biochemical studies with no clinical component at all, or small human studies. Such studies never have the statistical power to give anything close to a definitive answer and often their results are overturned later when better studies are done.

The media then incorrectly claims that doctors/scientists have reversed their opinion on a given topic when in fact they never had an opinion in the first place. The media could do everyone a big favor and use these opportunities to educate the public about how the scientific process proceeds. Instead they prefer to go for the shock factor to increase ratings and in the process they make it look like scientists and doctors dont know what they’re talking about which does none of us any good.

Unless you’re planning on throwing our whole capitalist system out the window, we’re going to be stuck with the current problems, I’m afraid.

P.S. Avodart and Proscar are used to reduce symptoms of BPH ( Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy). They are not approved for use in prostate cancer prevention.

It all depends upon how you define “prevention.”  It was thought that drugs like Avodart and Proscar would help reduce the chances of a man developing prostate cancer since they reduced inflammation of the prostate, and inflammation and cancer are tied together in ways not completely understood as of yet.  Unfortunately, it turns out that neither drug seems to work in that manner, and it is uncertain if they provide any significant improvement in patients or if they merely conceal the more virulent form of prostate cancer for longer periods of time, thus making treatment difficult.  There’s also significant debate in the medical community about the value of PSA tests or if aggressive treatment of prostate cancer has any benefits.

None of which does the poor schmuck diagnosed with the disease much good.  Even if they have surgery to remove a cancerous prostate, it might not stop the spread of the disease, and being given the only option of “watchful waiting” after a diagnosis of cancer is hardly comforting.

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Posted: 29 March 2012 06:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Coldheart Tucker - 28 March 2012 09:12 PM

P.S. Avodart and Proscar are used to reduce symptoms of BPH ( Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy). They are not approved for use in prostate cancer prevention.

It all depends upon how you define “prevention.”  It was thought that drugs like Avodart and Proscar would help reduce the chances of a man developing prostate cancer since they reduced inflammation of the prostate, and inflammation and cancer are tied together in ways not completely understood as of yet.  Unfortunately, it turns out that neither drug seems to work in that manner, and it is uncertain if they provide any significant improvement in patients or if they merely conceal the more virulent form of prostate cancer for longer periods of time, thus making treatment difficult.  There’s also significant debate in the medical community about the value of PSA tests or if aggressive treatment of prostate cancer has any benefits.

None of which does the poor schmuck diagnosed with the disease much good.  Even if they have surgery to remove a cancerous prostate, it might not stop the spread of the disease, and being given the only option of “watchful waiting” after a diagnosis of cancer is hardly comforting.

Proscar and Avodart do not do anything about inflammation. They both reduce the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone ( which is a much more potent androgen than testosterone). They were introduced as treatments for BPH because prostate tissue growth is stimulated by androgens and if reduce the level of this hormone you should shrink the size of the prostate.

In theory a drug that reduces androgen levels might reduce the risk of prostate cancer and there is some evidence that they might be effective ( see link below) but these drugs are not approved for use in prostate cancer prevention partly because of concern about the risk of high grade prostate cancers in one study in patients who were treated. Its important to note that the goal is not to reduce the risk of prostate cancer but to increase the survival rate and a improved survival has never been proven with these treatments. Reduced cancer incidence and improved survival are not the same thing and reducing the incidence may not necessarily affect the survival rate in the way you would think. Of course these drugs also have the usual side effects like impotence and decreased libido soit may be hard to convince men who are not currently ill to take them for decades.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa030660

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Interestingly, while proscar reduces BPH and prostatitis symptoms in dogs, neutered males are actually more likley to develop prostate cancer than intact males. Might be a different relationship between testposterone and cancer risk in humans than in dogs, but casts at leat a little doubt on the idea that removing testosterone is protective against prostate cancer.

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Coldheart Tucker - 28 March 2012 09:12 PM

P.S. Avodart and Proscar are used to reduce symptoms of BPH ( Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy). They are not approved for use in prostate cancer prevention.

It all depends upon how you define “prevention.”  It was thought that drugs like Avodart and Proscar would help reduce the chances of a man developing prostate cancer since they reduced inflammation of the prostate, and inflammation and cancer are tied together in ways not completely understood as of yet.  Unfortunately, it turns out that neither drug seems to work in that manner, and it is uncertain if they provide any significant improvement in patients or if they merely conceal the more virulent form of prostate cancer for longer periods of time, thus making treatment difficult.  There’s also significant debate in the medical community about the value of PSA tests or if aggressive treatment of prostate cancer has any benefits.

None of which does the poor schmuck diagnosed with the disease much good.  Even if they have surgery to remove a cancerous prostate, it might not stop the spread of the disease, and being given the only option of “watchful waiting” after a diagnosis of cancer is hardly comforting.

Proscar and Avodart do not do anything about inflammation. They both reduce the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone ( which is a much more potent androgen than testosterone). They were introduced as treatments for BPH because prostate tissue growth is stimulated by androgens and if reduce the level of this hormone you should shrink the size of the prostate.

In theory a drug that reduces androgen levels might reduce the risk of prostate cancer and there is some evidence that they might be effective ( see link below) but these drugs are not approved for use in prostate cancer prevention partly because of concern about the risk of high grade prostate cancers in one study in patients who were treated. Its important to note that the goal is not to reduce the risk of prostate cancer but to increase the survival rate and a improved survival has never been proven with these treatments. Reduced cancer incidence and improved survival are not the same thing and reducing the incidence may not necessarily affect the survival rate in the way you would think. Of course these drugs also have the usual side effects like impotence and decreased libido soit may be hard to convince men who are not currently ill to take them for decades.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa030660

Why are you doing this?  Seriously.  You have latched onto a minor comment of mine, misinterpreted it (nowhere did I say anything about Proscar or Avodart being approved by the FDA for prevention, that’s all on you), and are flogging it as if it somehow changes the larger issue.  The point was that we don’t always get things right when it comes to drugs and their uses.  Change what I said about Avodart and Proscar to Cox-2 and how it was originally thought that the drugs could be safely given to people with no danger of stomach irritation or other problems, only to have it discovered that Cox-2 drugs (more specifically Vioxx) do, in fact, cause various medical problems (some times fatal), and the point remains the same.

As for Avodart and Proscar and prostate cancer, I’m not going to dig for the links which I read on the subject when I was first prescribed Avodart, but there was, indeed, thought that by giving it to people who were at risk for prostate cancer it might reduce (which is different than prevent) their risk of developing the disease, but studies have shown that this doesn’t appear to be the case.  And the reduced libido and impotence are really minor side effects when compared to the depression side effects (which are unrelated to any performance issues).  Personally, I’d prefer to have the “roto-rooter” treatment instead of Avodart, but without insurance, I’m stuck taking the meds, and even with insurance, the doctors are loathe to okay the surgery.  (They seem to think that the potential for “nerve damage” is somehow a worse outcome than spending ones days wanting to swallow the barrel of a gun for no reason other than your medication is screwing with your brain chemistry.  Not to mention that as a result of taking another drug to improve the effectiveness of the Avodart, I’ve developed an ulcer, so I’m forced to take acid reducers and eat a very bland diet.)

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Coldheart Tucker - 29 March 2012 09:50 PM

Not to mention that as a result of taking another drug to improve the effectiveness of the Avodart, I’ve developed an ulcer, so I’m forced to take acid reducers and eat a very bland diet.)

I sure hope your Doc tested you for H.Pylori and has prescribed a course of antibiotics for that ulcer…

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Coldheart Tucker - 29 March 2012 09:50 PM

Why are you doing this?  Seriously.  You have latched onto a minor comment of mine, misinterpreted it (nowhere did I say anything about Proscar or Avodart being approved by the FDA for prevention, that’s all on you), and are flogging it as if it somehow changes the larger issue.  The point was that we don’t always get things right when it comes to drugs and their uses.  Change what I said about Avodart and Proscar to Cox-2 and how it was originally thought that the drugs could be safely given to people with no danger of stomach irritation or other problems, only to have it discovered that Cox-2 drugs (more specifically Vioxx) do, in fact, cause various medical problems (some times fatal), and the point remains the same.

As for Avodart and Proscar and prostate cancer, I’m not going to dig for the links which I read on the subject when I was first prescribed Avodart, but there was, indeed, thought that by giving it to people who were at risk for prostate cancer it might reduce (which is different than prevent) their risk of developing the disease, but studies have shown that this doesn’t appear to be the case.  And the reduced libido and impotence are really minor side effects when compared to the depression side effects (which are unrelated to any performance issues).  Personally, I’d prefer to have the “roto-rooter” treatment instead of Avodart, but without insurance, I’m stuck taking the meds, and even with insurance, the doctors are loathe to okay the surgery.  (They seem to think that the potential for “nerve damage” is somehow a worse outcome than spending ones days wanting to swallow the barrel of a gun for no reason other than your medication is screwing with your brain chemistry.  Not to mention that as a result of taking another drug to improve the effectiveness of the Avodart, I’ve developed an ulcer, so I’m forced to take acid reducers and eat a very bland diet.)

Coldheart I’m sorry, I know its often difficult to read intent on a message board but no offense was meant by my comments. As a physician I was simply trying to make sure the information presented here was accurate since there are others who read these comments besides you and I.

In general with a few exceptions, physicians should not use a drug to treat conditions for which it has not been approved especially when we are talking about preventative treatments. If a physician was giving it to you for this purpose I was simply trying to point out that it is not standard of care in the medical community to do so. It seems you were given the drugs to treat BPH though if I’m interpreting your comments correctly and that is the intended and approved use for them.

I’m sorry to hear you’re not doing well with the treatment you were given. Depression is a very rare side effect with these drugs. In fact it occurs no more often in patients on the drug than in those who take placebo, but if you are having that problem you should make it clear to your physician that it is seriously affecting your life, and that you need an alternative. I mentioned the decreased libido and impotence because they are very common side effects. To the men who suffer from them they are not minor, especially if the reason they are on the drug is dubious ( ie. to try and reduce their chances of dying from prostate cancer). The “roto -rooter” procedure also known as a TURP is not usually offered as first line therapy for several reasons. Its invasive with all the associated risks of invasive procedures. It also comes with significant risk of urinary incontinence and impotence which can be permanent. It does not always relieve the symptoms and even when it does it may only be for a limited period of time, but when medications don’t work its an alternative worth considering assuming the person is a good surgical candidate. Only your doctor can determine that though.

You are correct that we “don’t always get it right about drugs and their uses” because of the simple fact that we never have all the facts about how things work. That same philosophy applies to virtually everything in life though, not just drugs. You can only act on the information you have at the time. We can chastise the makers of COX-2 inhibitors for selling a drug that caused a small increased risk of cardiovascular events but the fact is that they didn’t know that when they were developing the drug. The rationale behind COX-2 inhibitors was a good one. In theory and in practice a drug that targeted prostaglandins involved in inflammation but not the ones that protect the lining of your stomach should provide a significant safety improvement over more broad spectrum prostaglandin inhibitors like naprosyn, ibuprofen, and aspirin.  Unfortunately the companies making these drugs didn’t realize that some of them slightly altered the finely tuned balance between thrombosis and thrombolysis that occurs continuously throughout our blood vessels. Altering that balance resulted in a higher rate of coronary thrombosis going to completion in patients who took these drugs and hence more heart attacks. Like I said though, you can only make decisions based on the information you have.

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