Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?
Posted: 03 April 2012 01:53 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?

It is said that God can do whatever he likes. He is after all, God. He created everything and can destroy it at a whim if he chooses to do so. I do not believe this but will grant it as a truth for this O P.

Given that God can kill or cure, and given that we are to emulate, follow and try to be like him; it would seem that we too are to believe that sometimes it is better to kill than cure. I cannot think of any good situation to do this but that is just me. Perhaps you can.

Scriptures show God killing many or having men kill many. Scriptures show God curing on a few occasions but killing seems to be his preferred method.

Life, be it from God or nature, should be venerated. God does not seem to venerate human life even as he claims man to be his most precious and loved creation and even placing us above the angels. This indicates that he should venerate our lives yet it does not seem to.

In our human world, if a doctor who could cure his patient decided to kill him, he would be jailed and considered an evil person. In the believer world, a God who could cure and decides to kill is considered good and praised for his killing. A double standard. I hope that we will all agree that for a human to kill, when a cure option is available, is evil and immoral. If you do not; please do not reply.

Is it moral for God to kill when a cure options is available?

Does your God need to have good morals or does it matter?

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Posted: 03 April 2012 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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What would godhead do?

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Posted: 03 April 2012 04:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Once again, most of us here don’t have Gods; but in the human world as you call it, no of course it’s not.

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Posted: 03 April 2012 08:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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So your argument is that god is a capricious and unjust god?

Old news here!

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Posted: 04 April 2012 04:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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traveler - 03 April 2012 02:24 PM

What would godhead do?

It venerates life and cannot do anything. It is not a miracle working entity.

This is a morality thread. Care to show your moral position?

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Posted: 04 April 2012 04:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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mid atlantic - 03 April 2012 04:53 PM

Once again, most of us here don’t have Gods; but in the human world as you call it, no of course it’s not.

Thanks.

I know that few here have a God.
What I am looking for is something to counter the believer claim that God can do whatever he wants because he is God. That is a slave mentality statement.

Morality is something that believers do not seem to care about. Strange as morality is supposed to be the most important component of religions.

How would you counter it?

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Posted: 04 April 2012 04:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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TeachScience - 03 April 2012 08:11 PM

So your argument is that god is a capricious and unjust god?

Old news here!

True.

How would you prove that to a theist?
How would you make one actually think?

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Posted: 04 April 2012 04:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Greatest I am - 04 April 2012 04:23 AM
traveler - 03 April 2012 02:24 PM

What would godhead do?

It venerates life and cannot do anything. It is not a miracle working entity.

This is a morality thread. Care to show your moral position?

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DL

A moral thread for 2 year olds. Of course not, as has been said.

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Posted: 04 April 2012 04:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Greatest I am - 04 April 2012 04:31 AM

How would you prove that to a theist?

How would you prove to a believer in godhead that he is making stiff up? How would you prove to the crazy guy on subway that he is not Napoleon? How do you prove anything to any crackpot?

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Posted: 04 April 2012 10:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Quoting G.I.A.

something to counter the believer claim that God can do whatever he wants because he is God.

I think god’s answer to Job’s question is a decent argument.  (Approximate statement)  “How dare you question my actions when you have the mind of a maggot compared to mine?”

While there are many excellent arguments against the existence of any god, the one that s/he does or allows evil to happen is easily refuted by the above. 

Certainly the criticisms raised by the Tea Party people against most government actions fit the above question.  LOL

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Posted: 04 April 2012 02:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Occam. - 04 April 2012 10:25 AM

Quoting G.I.A.

something to counter the believer claim that God can do whatever he wants because he is God.

I think god’s answer to Job’s question is a decent argument.  (Approximate statement)  “How dare you question my actions when you have the mind of a maggot compared to mine?”

While there are many excellent arguments against the existence of any god, the one that s/he does or allows evil to happen is easily refuted by the above. 

Certainly the criticisms raised by the Tea Party people against most government actions fit the above question.  LOL

Occam

I can’t quite see how that would help dissuade them but thanks.

They already use that——who is the clay to question the potter——-slave mentality B S.

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Posted: 04 April 2012 03:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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TeachScience - 03 April 2012 08:11 PM

So your argument is that god is a capricious and unjust god?

Old news here!

True.

How would you prove that to a theist?
How would you make one actually think?

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DL

The rational argument about god with believers doesn’t exist.  The “it’s taken on faith” argument can’t really be rationally argued, let alone won.
I have had this discussion with believers at work and other than making for an interesting lunchtime, not much is ever accomplished.

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Posted: 05 April 2012 08:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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TeachScience - 04 April 2012 03:55 PM
Greatest I am - 04 April 2012 04:31 AM
TeachScience - 03 April 2012 08:11 PM

So your argument is that god is a capricious and unjust god?

Old news here!

True.

How would you prove that to a theist?
How would you make one actually think?

Regards
DL

The rational argument about god with believers doesn’t exist.  The “it’s taken on faith” argument can’t really be rationally argued, let alone won.
I have had this discussion with believers at work and other than making for an interesting lunchtime, not much is ever accomplished.

I hear you.

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