Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 03 May 2012 03:25 PM
Do you have enough evidence to make a reasonable conclusion concerning the existence of leprechauns and unicorns?
I would think that you would find some trace in the fossil record and there isn’t any.
The whole problem with the god thing is that nobody can even agree on what it is. (Only that the other side is wrong and will forever Buuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnn in Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
They can have it. I’m not interested.
If an omnipotant being exists, then s/he/it can have a word with me anytime s/he/it likes without any need of clergy who will pick my pocket and try to dictate the terms of my sex life under colour of divine authority.
If s/he/it doesn’t exist, then there’s just nothing to talk about.
I don’t have any problems with the apathetic agnostic position. In fact, I believe it’s quite reasonable. I was only responding to your comment that there is no available evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion about the existence of god. I was curious about what your standards of evidence are, so I wanted to see how your mindset applies when speaking of other mythological/supernatural claims.
I was only responding to your comment that there is no available evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion about the existence of god.
There isn’t, but I’m not coming to that conclusion for the reasons you might think but because nobody can even agree on what it is that defines godhood.
If you go for the pantheist arguement…that “God” is all things and the totality of all the matter and energy in the universe…I can make the case for the existance of that “God” (Why anybody would deify the universe, I don’t know but it’s there.)
Until there’s some agreement on what it is that defines what it is to be a god, then as far as I’m concerned, there’s just nothing to discuss.
And for the record, I do NOT believe in the supernatural. If there is/are any god/gods or any other entity, superbeing or not, then it is a part of nature and subject to natural laws.
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 04 May 2012 01:39 AM
I was only responding to your comment that there is no available evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion about the existence of god.
There isn’t, but I’m not coming to that conclusion for the reasons you might think but because nobody can even agree on what it is that defines godhood.
If you go for the pantheist arguement…that “God” is all things and the totality of all the matter and energy in the universe…I can make the case for the existance of that “God” (Why anybody would deify the universe, I don’t know but it’s there.)
Until there’s some agreement on what it is that defines what it is to be a god, then as far as I’m concerned, there’s just nothing to discuss.
And for the record, I do NOT believe in the supernatural. If there is/are any god/gods or any other entity, superbeing or not, then it is a part of nature and subject to natural laws.
EOC, Thanks for defending the agnostic position, despite that your non-traditional definition of a possible god, would probably qualify you as an atheist, I think.
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2. De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he 0
3. Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God. 0
4. Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable. 1
5. Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical. 0
6. De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumptio 20
7. Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.
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2. De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he 0
3. Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God. 0
4. Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable. 1
5. Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical. 0
6. De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumptio 20
7. Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.
8. I am God.
Do you question your own existence?
And as a general follow up question: WTF have you been thinking!??!
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2. De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he 0
3. Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God. 0
4. Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable. 1
5. Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical. 0
6. De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumptio 20
7. Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.
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2. De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he 0
3. Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God. 0
4. Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable. 1
5. Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical. 0
6. De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumptio 20
7. Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.
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2. De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he 0
3. Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God. 0
4. Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable. 1
5. Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical. 0
6. De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumptio 20
7. Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.
The premise that god(s) may exist outside of current knowledge is simply too weak to support. Such weak propositions are a dime a dozen and not worth a 2013 Canadian penny. There is zero evidence for the existence of such, and imagining god(s) is only evidence that god(s) can be imagined.
There is no god without evidence and imagination cannot change that.
