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Posted: 17 April 2012 04:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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George - 17 April 2012 12:42 PM

Okay, but why would they do that since THEY thought Santa was real?

I already said I figured they were dumb.  LOL

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Still doesn’t make sense. Either you thought they believed in Santa—in which case they wouldn’t have to worry about buying presents—-or you knew they were buying the presents because they knew they couldn’t count on Santa since they knew he didn’t exist. smirk

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Posted: 17 April 2012 05:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Very good logic, George, but who said the adults in my family had any understanding of logic?  LOL

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Posted: 17 April 2012 05:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Occam. - 17 April 2012 05:08 PM

Very good logic, George, but who said the adults in my family had any understanding of logic?  LOL

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Or the child of extended logic?

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Posted: 17 April 2012 06:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Occam. - 17 April 2012 05:08 PM

Very good logic, George, but who said the adults in my family had any understanding of logic?  LOL

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Actually, it would have been you who was being illogical, not the adults.  grin Come on, you know you have lost this. Accept it damnit. Be a man.  cool grin

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Posted: 17 April 2012 08:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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FreeInKy - 17 April 2012 10:05 AM

Santa Claus: Yes
Monster under the bed: No
Easter Bunny: Yes
Invisible Friend: No
Sky Daddy: Yes
Bogyman: No

No wonder they get confused!  cheese

My parents used to threaten us with ‘The Sandman’. None of my friends ever heard of him. My parents used to tell us that if we didn’t go to sleep, the Sandman was going to come and sprinkle sand on us to put us to sleep. That never made sense to me, even as a 4 or 5 year old. It made far more sense to stay awake in case he tried to sneak in to get us!

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Posted: 18 April 2012 10:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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George - 17 April 2012 06:49 PM

Actually, it would have been you who was being illogical, not the adults.

That’s a possibility that you are proposing, but since we, as adults, now recognize that there’s no Santa Claus, it turns out that I WAS being logical.  The situation that I did not consider as a small child was that the adults were lying to me, therefore I was stuck with the idea that they must be illogical as well as misinformed. 

  grin Come on, you know you have lost this. Accept it damnit. Be a man.  cool grin

Sorry, George.  I do have to admit that you did a great job of nit-picking, but that’s my forte’.  I won’t say that you lost, just that you were mistaken.  LOL

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Posted: 18 April 2012 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Nope. You came to the right conclusion, but how you got there was not logical, because it was the wrong explanation. It’s as if I discovered that smoking causes cancer because people who smoke get sick a lot more with colds and the flu (from touching their mouth as they take a drag) and these viruses then cause them to develop cancer.  cool smirk

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Posted: 18 April 2012 11:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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asanta - 17 April 2012 08:41 PM
FreeInKy - 17 April 2012 10:05 AM

Santa Claus: Yes
Monster under the bed: No
Easter Bunny: Yes
Invisible Friend: No
Sky Daddy: Yes
Bogyman: No

No wonder they get confused!  cheese

My parents used to threaten us with ‘The Sandman’. None of my friends ever heard of him. My parents used to tell us that if we didn’t go to sleep, the Sandman was going to come and sprinkle sand on us to put us to sleep. That never made sense to me, even as a 4 or 5 year old. It made far more sense to stay awake in case he tried to sneak in to get us!

It seems to me that belief in the supernatural causes far more fear than is necessary to function optimally in life. I wonder why our culture comes up with all these notions that promote children’s tendencies to believe in supernatural things.  Is there some functional reason to promote paranoia in our children?

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Posted: 18 April 2012 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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It seems to me that belief in the supernatural causes far more fear than is necessary to function optimally in life. I wonder why our culture comes up with all these notions that promote children’s tendencies to believe in supernatural things.  Is there some functional reason to promote paranoia in our children?

there was at one time. Folk stories in which the bogeyman or whatever one would call it/him/her served the function of protecting the child from potential harm. “don’t go into the woods unescorted or the monster wil get you”. In order to punctuate the fear, adults would emulate the monster/whatever by donning masks and other disguises to bring the creature to life. This kept the kids nearby so you wouldn’t have to constantly watch them. It serves no useful function now except in scaring kids into believing in hell and demons (see hell houses sponsored by fundie churches)

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Posted: 18 April 2012 04:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Sorry, George, but I don’t understand your example as germane.  Could you point out the error you think you see, directly?

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Posted: 18 April 2012 05:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Is everyone in here happy?  LOL

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Posted: 18 April 2012 05:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Occam. - 18 April 2012 04:55 PM

Sorry, George, but I don’t understand your example as germane.  Could you point out the error you think you see, directly?

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Yeah, you’re right. What I wrote has nothing to do with what you said. That’s what happens when one complicates something which should have been simple. You shouldn’t have deduce that the adults didn’t realize that Santa was real if they had to buy the presents. You thought here wasn’t logical.

I just hope this doesn’t become another “envelope” discussion.  grin

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Posted: 18 April 2012 06:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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FreeInKy - 18 April 2012 05:40 PM

Is everyone in here happy?  LOL

Sure. I just made myself a tea and I am going eat a piece of poppy seed strudel.  tongue laugh

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Posted: 18 April 2012 08:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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FreeInKy - 18 April 2012 05:40 PM

Is everyone in here happy?  LOL

Sure. I just made myself a tea and I am going eat a piece of poppy seed strudel.  tongue laugh

Just make sure not to be in a position to be drug tested for opioids anytime soon… LOL

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Posted: 18 April 2012 09:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Most of the gifts were from my parents or relatives, but a few were marked as from Santa Claus.  Since the day has been a little stressful, I decided to have a second glass of my usual evening glass of wine, so I’ll have to work though the logic of that tomorrow morning.  smile

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