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The land of the free. Fact or meaningless rhetoric?
Posted: 08 May 2012 08:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Also, greater personal resources can contribute to greater degrees of freedom.  Some individuals are more free than others.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 12:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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George - 07 May 2012 05:42 AM

Here (@2:09) are Braveheart’s last words, in French. The internet doesn’t cease to amaze me…

Indeed.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 12:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Occam. - 07 May 2012 11:34 AM

I do agree that our use of the word freedom is a simplification of the concept since, as in any society the members have traded their freedom (anarchic) for societally defined liberties.

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Therein lies the shame. If you think you are free, you will not work to———

Well, it seems as if, not only are you deficient in your native language, but you don’t really understand English, either.  What Rousseau was saying, and I was repeating is that none of us is free unless we are completely by ourselves and without any society.

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As I said. I am a WIP.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 12:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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TimB - 08 May 2012 08:08 AM

Also, greater personal resources can contribute to greater degrees of freedom.  Some individuals are more free than others.

In an oligarchy, there is only one free man.
The one who own the president.
We all have the sign of the beast.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 12:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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WIP = Work in progress???

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I’m not going to bother defining it for you, GIA.  Look up the meaning of oligarchy then edit your post to correct your error.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 01:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Greatest I am - 08 May 2012 12:19 PM
TimB - 08 May 2012 08:08 AM

Also, greater personal resources can contribute to greater degrees of freedom.  Some individuals are more free than others.

In an oligarchy, there is only one free man.
The one who own the president.
We all have the sign of the beast.

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Surely, now, you are just being rhetorical.

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Posted: 08 May 2012 02:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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TimB - 08 May 2012 01:51 PM
Greatest I am - 08 May 2012 12:19 PM
TimB - 08 May 2012 08:08 AM

Also, greater personal resources can contribute to greater degrees of freedom.  Some individuals are more free than others.

In an oligarchy, there is only one free man.
The one who own the president.
We all have the sign of the beast.

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DL

Surely, now, you are just being rhetorical.

No. Real politique.

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