Sin, by it’s very nature must have a victim. Without a victim, there is no sin.
The one sinned against has the first right of forgiveness.
If Jesus usurps that right then I think it would be unjust.
Closure is being denied the victim thus victimizing is twofold.
Jesus would not condone such a thing.
Secular law now demands a victim assessment report before sentence is given.
To think that Jesus would ignore this requirement is unthinkable.
This means that, “Why have you forsaken me? “, is answered by God with; because what you do is immoral. You deny the victim her or his rights. It is also unjust to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. In fact, that notion is insane.
In the scenario shown here the victim is ignored thus showing the flaw in the judge’s ruling, if he accepts substitutionary atonement.
Totally agree with you here. The bible says that only god can forgive, but I believe that only a victim has the right to forgive anyone. And I do not believe that everyone is deserving of forgiveness.
Totally agree with you here. The bible says that only god can forgive, but I believe that only a victim has the right to forgive anyone. And I do not believe that everyone is deserving of forgiveness.
Thanks for this. Christians have not agreed so far. Then again, they have not offered reasons, just dogma and anger.
That tells me that I have not done too badly on an O P.
I also agree. And I think its sort of wimpy of the perpetrator to accept forgiveness. For me the only remedy is restitution, either to the victim or to society in general. For example, if I cut someone off in traffic, even if by accident, I’ll drive hyper-courteously until I feel I’ve repaid for my error.
This is one reason why I feel non-theists are far more ethical and moral than theists.
... For me the only remedy is restitution, either to the victim or to society in general. For example, if I cut someone off in traffic, even if by accident, I’ll drive hyper-courteously until I feel I’ve repaid for my error…
... For me the only remedy is restitution, either to the victim or to society in general. For example, if I cut someone off in traffic, even if by accident, I’ll drive hyper-courteously until I feel I’ve repaid for my error…
Occam
You are a credit to your species.
Yeah, but we’re still trying to figure out to which species Occam belongs.
... For me the only remedy is restitution, either to the victim or to society in general. For example, if I cut someone off in traffic, even if by accident, I’ll drive hyper-courteously until I feel I’ve repaid for my error…
Occam
You are a credit to your species.
Yeah, but we’re still trying to figure out to which species Occam belongs.
Sin, by it’s very nature must have a victim. Without a victim, there is no sin.
The one sinned against has the first right of forgiveness.
If Jesus usurps that right then I think it would be unjust.
Closure is being denied the victim thus victimizing is twofold.
Jesus would not condone such a thing.
Secular law now demands a victim assessment report before sentence is given.
To think that Jesus would ignore this requirement is unthinkable.
This means that, “Why have you forsaken me? “, is answered by God with; because what you do is immoral. You deny the victim her or his rights. It is also unjust to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. In fact, that notion is insane.
In the scenario shown here the victim is ignored thus showing the flaw in the judge’s ruling, if he accepts substitutionary atonement.
I also agree. And I think its sort of wimpy of the perpetrator to accept forgiveness. For me the only remedy is restitution, either to the victim or to society in general. For example, if I cut someone off in traffic, even if by accident, I’ll drive hyper-courteously until I feel I’ve repaid for my error.
This is one reason why I feel non-theists are far more ethical and moral than theists.
Occam
On this we can agree.
Let me give them a caveat. Most so called theist do not believe their dogma and are only in it for tradition and peer pressure.
This is shown by any mapping of various belief systems as they are more geographically placed than religiously placed.
Thank God, so to speak, or the world is a way dumber place than what I believe it is.
