Greatest I am:
You said July 4th (with exceptions) no victim no crime. Where is the victim in manufacturing and delivering a controlled substance,
Happily high somewhere and not thinking himself as a victim at all.
Where do you see a victim?
Happily sexually sated somewhere.
Where do you see a victim?
ex felon in possession of firearms,
Has he paid his debt to society? If so then he should not be restricted.
If part of that debt is to not possess a firearm then the state is the victim and he should be subject to whatever the law demands.
prohibited assisted suicide,
Is this man guilty of a crime?
I do not think so.
money laundering, possessing obscenity, consensual sodomy, prohibited nudity, driving while intoxicated, employing the undocumented, gambling, driving over the speed limit, unlicensed possession of a concealed handgun, conspiracy to commit a crime, and maybe even statutory rape? Who is the victim in “victimless” crimes?
You ask about Roe versus Wade. Roe wanted an abortion. Wade was the District Attorney. Then, the District Attorney could consider criminal prosecution for abortion. Roe sued Wade for constitutional privacy rights. Roe versus Wade was a civil case, not criminal.
You said that you can not be convicted twice for the same crime. If one killing happens in two over lapping jurisdictions, what stops the same killing from becoming two separate crimes with one crime each in the two independent jurisdictions?
Interesting insight on Jew’s view of Eden. Yes, much money has been traded over the parishioner, church, and god roles and relations.
You said punishment should have a purpose. Is disobedience alone a deficient purpose for punishment?
I am fairly liberal in my thinking and if we can chat at all on the above victimless crimes then I will deal with all your other points above.
As to your last on A & E and disobeying a command; you should realize that the knowledge of good and evil that was denied them by command is basically the knowledge of damned near everything as most things are subject to good and evil. To disobey such a command is right and just as no one should obey a command to stay as dumb as a cow and not develop a moral sense.
The Bible begins by saying that all the trouble in the world was caused by Adam and Eve eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It was the only thing God denied them. But then the rest of the entire Bible exhorts people to do everything in their power to gain knowledge of good and evil! It exalts wisdom and knowledge as one of the highest goals every person should strive for.
Proverbs 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel: 2 To know wisdom and instruction, To discern the sayings of understanding, 3 To receive instruction in wise behavior, Righteousness, justice and equity; 4 To give prudence to the naive, To the youth knowledge and discretion, 5 A wise man will hear and increase in learning, And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel.
Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding. 7 He stores up sound wisdom for the upright; He is a shield to those who walk in integrity, 8 Guarding the paths of justice, And He preserves the way of His godly ones. 9 Then you will discern righteousness and justice And equity and every good course. 10 For wisdom will enter your heart, And knowledge will be pleasant to your soul; 11 Discretion will guard you, Understanding will watch over you,
Proverbs 8:7 “For my mouth will utter truth; And wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8 “All the utterances of my mouth are in righteousness; There is nothing crooked or perverted in them. 9 “They are all straightforward to him who understands, And right to those who find knowledge. 10 “Take my instruction, and not silver, And knowledge rather than choicest gold. 11 “For wisdom is better than jewels; And all desirable things can not compare with her. 12 “I, wisdom, dwell with prudence, And I find knowledge and discretion.
The story of the fall looks very strange in this context:
Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
So we have a very strange contradiction at the very inception of the entire Biblical narrative. That which was forbidden and which caused all the problems in the world becomes the very highest of values!
And I had another thought just yesterday morning. The Tree of Knowledge actually looks not like it teaches morality, but that it teaches RELIGIOUS DOGMA. If the Garden is a symbol of the soul, there are two trees available. The Tree of Knowledge is the Tree of Dogma that kills the soul. The Tree of Life is authentic Gnosis of Reality.
“Is becoming like God good or evil?”
FMPOV. It is the highest good, of course. We are commanded to be like God.
“If evil, please explain what is evil about developing a moral sense and following scriptures that tell us to be as Gods.”
FMPOV. It cannot be evil to know good and evil. The entire OT (after the mythological chapters which are never referenced again) praises the virtue of possessing knowledge of good and evil. What a strange book the Bible becomes when we open our eyes to see what it really says!