Comprehending God Poe, the Bible and Candid style.
Posted: 14 May 2012 11:20 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Comprehending God Poe, the Bible and Candid style.

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If we cannot comprehend God in his visible works, how then in his inconceivable thoughts, that call the works into being? If we cannot understand him in his objective creatures, how then in his substantive moods and phases of creation?

This is basically what scriptures say when they say to seek God in the heavens. Nature IOW.

These views are what led to my apotheosis and I endorse them wholeheartedly. 

When I was a seeker, before I found this clip below. I had concluded that reality was in the best and only state that it could be in. This best state included nature as well as man within it.

When this was written, most thought it to just be a cynical view of life but I think it is quite true and irrefutable, based on the anthropic principle and the notion that a God would start things of in a good way as scriptures indicate for Eden and that that best way would be self-perpetuating because I could not imagine a God using creation as a make work project that he would have to tweak every now and then as scriptures indicated that he did.

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“It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA

The above quote should make sense to both believers and non-believers alike, if you see nature always doing the best it can with all the conditions at hand taken into account.

I would like to stay away from discussions of God’s existence here because I think any such discussion would be speculative nonsense as none of our opinions of God is true knowledge and none of it can be proven until he actually shows up. Even as I do not believe in a creator God, I will not argue with those who give credit to him instead of nature and evolution. It is what is here that I would ask you to focus on.

Just looking at nature and mankind then at this point in time, can we agree that what we have is the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions at hand?

To set you on the tract and mindset that I developed, I would like you to think of the day you were born.
Can you say that given all the conditions at hand back then, your DNA and all other conditions, nature produced you to the very best condition that she could muster?
If yes, consider that the next day let’s say, after you began to learned and found the teat and continued learning and developing, right till today, that the initial best you, in the best of all possible world, are continuously aging as the best that you can possible be, given all the conditions at hand.
Not perfect, but the best you can possibly be.

Are you living in the best of all possible world and are you today, the best that nature can produce, given all the conditions at hand?

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Posted: 15 May 2012 12:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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“It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

I am not sure if I can agree with this. IMO, it is just as valid to say “all things are a result of cause and effect and the end is merely a result of trial and error.”
This would be in clear contradiction to Creationism, but would agree with the concept of natural selection and Evolution.

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Posted: 15 May 2012 06:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Write4U - 15 May 2012 12:56 AM

Candide

“It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

I am not sure if I can agree with this. IMO, it is just as valid to say “all things are a result of cause and effect and the end is merely a result of trial and error.”
This would be in clear contradiction to Creationism, but would agree with the concept of natural selection and Evolution.

There are many things that contradict creationists views.
Not too surprising.

I agree with your quote but that does not refute the candid one.

Are you disagreeing with all of it. Both main themes?

“for as all things have been created for some end,”

And or

“they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

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Posted: 15 May 2012 02:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Write4U - 15 May 2012 12:56 AM

Candide

“It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

I am not sure if I can agree with this. IMO, it is just as valid to say “all things are a result of cause and effect and the end is merely a result of trial and error.”
This would be in clear contradiction to Creationism, but would agree with the concept of natural selection and Evolution.

Are you disagreeing with all of it. Both main themes?

“for as all things have been created for some end,”

And or

“they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

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The end may be a lucky accident. To say “have been created for some end” implies a Plan. But what if all this is random. Was a supernova billions of years ago part of a plan to create man?

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I doubt if you can find much agreement from someone born with a debilitating birth defect. Is that the “best end” that could be expected?

IMO, the entire scheme of things precludes a plan or a specific outcome. There are no guarantees of any kind. All we can do is try to live in harmony with our environment and hope some stray comet won’t wipe us out in the near future.

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Posted: 16 May 2012 05:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I indicated in the O P that I did not believe in a creator God . That would include not believing in a plan.
It is all nature and random as you suggest.

As far as any of us being born with defects, can we not say that even with those, nature did the best she could with the DNA and all other conditions at hand?

Did nature not want, (if though was involved), to produce a two armed child instead of a one armed one?

I would think yes as at other times, when the DNA and conditions are right, she will produce the best from our POV.
Producing the best she can is natures way.

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