Aristopus - I get the underlying sentiment you’re trying to express. The way I express it, when I express it, is “religion is the root of most evil”. Much of western culture is rooted in Christianity, so much so that most people don’t even realize it, and the damage it’s done. And you’ll always run up against folks like George who will use the old “it’s not religion that’s bad, it’s the people who use it for bad purposes.” Folks like that, and almost all religious folks will never respond to reasoning and writing, etc. It’s an emotional, psychological dependence they have. I realized this way back in college. I had a roommate who was the valedictorian, was being sought out for his work in economics even as an undergrad, etc. And yet when we talked about religion you couldn’t tell him apart from the sorriest dumbass redneck you ever met. He clung to his religion for emotional reasons, not logical ones. And that was that.
So personally I gave up trying to convert or convince “believers” long ago. IMHO you just have to be a good example yourself, and really rise above religion in a way, to realize if it’s what it takes for some to get by, then help them along in that regard. The hard part too is to realize religion IS wrong in the sense that astrology is, it’s just that because there’s such an emotional aspect to it, and the world is still so barbaric, it’s just going to take many generations and technological advances before it goes the way of astrology.
You shouldn’t hold your breath, astrology is still believed in by many people - even well educated people.