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Posted: 10 June 2012 12:30 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Texas pastor goes public “He’s Atheist” and he’s not alone.

Interesting piece on a Texas news station.  Rather dramatic way to come out atheist.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/Church-pastors-become-atheists/-/...

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Posted: 10 June 2012 04:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Your link is somehow damaged. This should do it:
http://www.click2houston.com/news/Church-pastors-become-atheists/-/1735978/13654270/-/venr79/-/index.html

This is an interesting link mentioned in the article:
http://www.clergyproject.com/

CFI is linked in it!

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Posted: 10 June 2012 04:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Write, went to that site and it said “page not found”. I’ll look for it elsewhere. Sounds interesting if implausible. A Baptist Texan publically announcing he is an atheist would IMO make him a pariah! If true then he does have some guts (wanted to use another body part but thought it inappropriate). Good for him. We need more of this.


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Posted: 10 June 2012 05:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Oops! Thanks Gdb. Lutheran not Baptist. And 200. That could start a movement as more closet atheist preachers see this it give them the impetus to do the same. Then congregation members could see their leaders in a new light and follow them. There is usually a strong bond between pastors and their flock. Who know where this might lead in the near future?

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Posted: 11 June 2012 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Well, this is news only to the extent we consider things very narrowly.  EVERYBODY is somebody elses atheist right?  From the standpoint of Hinduism, all Jews and Christians are atheists for example. And so…

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Posted: 11 June 2012 10:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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CuthbertJ - 11 June 2012 10:24 AM

Well, this is news only to the extent we consider things very narrowly.  EVERYBODY is somebody elses atheist right?  From the standpoint of Hinduism, all Jews and Christians are atheists for example. And so…

I don’t follow your logic, CuthbertJ. An atheist does not believe an any gods or spirits. Even religious people know and accept that. I never heard any Christian refer to Jews or Hindus as atheists. Even a Christian would not hurl that insult at another religious person.  LOL

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Posted: 11 June 2012 10:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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CuthbertJ - 11 June 2012 10:24 AM

Well, this is news only to the extent we consider things very narrowly.  EVERYBODY is somebody elses atheist right?  From the standpoint of Hinduism, all Jews and Christians are atheists for example. And so…

I don’t follow your logic, CuthbertJ. An atheist does not believe an any gods or spirits. Even religious people know and accept that. I never heard any Christian refer to Jews or Hindus as atheists. Even a Christian would not hurl that insult at another religious person.  LOL

Strictly speaking an atheist does not believe in a god. But OTOH, if a theist does not believe in the other’s god, that other person might as well be an atheist.
During a discussion I once asked, “do you believe that the Islamic god is the same god as the christian god. After all, if there is only one god, it must be the same god.
The answer was “no, allah is a different god than the christian god.”  Go figure.

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Posted: 11 June 2012 11:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Write4U - 11 June 2012 10:42 AM

Strictly speaking an atheist does not believe in a god. But OTOH, if a theist does not believe in the other’s god, that other person might as well be an atheist.
During a discussion I once asked, “do you believe that the Islamic god is the same god as the christian god. After all, if there is only one god, it must be the same god.
The answer was “no, allah is a different god than the christian god.”  Go figure.

But when a Christian says that, they aren’t really giving allah the status of god in the same way they do jehovah. They speak of “other gods” pejoratively, figuratively, as invented beings—not as true gods. But there is no way that position can or should be confused with atheism as long as they believe in at least one god.

I can’t speak for all religious people and not even all Christians but I did spend many decades deeply embroiled in fundamentalist evangelical Christianity. And I can tell you for certain that, even though they may think adherents of other religions are bound for hell, they still hold them in higher regard than they do the “godless atheists.” (Yes, it’s a redundant phrase but I grew up thinking that was the correct wording.) To them, Jews and Buddhists are misguided and to be pitied; but atheists are to be feared because they intentionally reject God and are therefore tools of Satan.  rolleyes

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Posted: 11 June 2012 12:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I’m not an Xian and I don’t see Ah-yah or the Xian deity as the same storybook character.  Of course, I see all gods as an invention of humans and only exist in their minds, including the Xian deity.

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Posted: 11 June 2012 12:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Mriana - 11 June 2012 12:06 PM

I’m not an Xian and I don’t see Ah-yah or the Xian deity as the same storybook character.  Of course, I see all gods as an invention of humans and only exist in their minds, including the Xian deity.

Exactly. That is the only true position of the atheist. To somehow equate atheism with rejecting some gods but not all is a travesty. IMHO.

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Posted: 11 June 2012 06:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I’d guess that most theists don’t see others, not of their faith, as ahteists.  Rather, they differentiate between atheists who don’t believe in any god and those of other faiths who just happen to worship the “wrong” god.  I’d also guess that they would rank atheists below those of other faiths.

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Posted: 11 June 2012 06:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Occam. - 11 June 2012 06:25 PM

I’d guess that most theists don’t see others, not of their faith, as ahteists.  Rather, they differentiate between atheists who don’t believe in any god and those of other faiths who just happen to worship the “wrong” god.  I’d also guess that they would rank atheists below those of other faiths.

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That’s pretty much it.

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Posted: 12 June 2012 07:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Mriana - 11 June 2012 06:42 PM
Occam. - 11 June 2012 06:25 PM

I’d guess that most theists don’t see others, not of their faith, as ahteists.  Rather, they differentiate between atheists who don’t believe in any god and those of other faiths who just happen to worship the “wrong” god.  I’d also guess that they would rank atheists below those of other faiths.

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That’s pretty much it.

Isn’t that what I said… twice? Y’all must be having trouble with my southern drawl…  wink

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Posted: 12 June 2012 10:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Occam. - 11 June 2012 06:25 PM

I’d guess that most theists don’t see others, not of their faith, as ahteists.  Rather, they differentiate between atheists who don’t believe in any god and those of other faiths who just happen to worship the “wrong” god.  I’d also guess that they would rank atheists below those of other faiths.

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  That hasn’t been my experience.  Most so called “theists” I’ve run into are regular people who wouldn’t even think of themselves as theists versus atheists.  And they certainly don’t think for example that the Muslims believe in “my” god but just have a funny name for her.  They literally think they believe in something that isn’t real and hence are what you and I’d call an atheist.  But that’s just been my experience.  My point originally wasn’t meant to be so precise, but simply that everybody is somebody’s atheist, atheist being someone who doesn’t believe my god exists.

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Quoting F-I:

Isn’t that what I said… twice? Y’all must be having trouble with my southern drawl…

  Sorry, we old fuds have failing memories and I didn’t go back and read the earlier posts.  Should have done that.  red face

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Posted: 12 June 2012 11:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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CuthbertJ - 12 June 2012 10:26 AM

Most so called “theists” I’ve run into are regular people who wouldn’t even think of themselves as theists versus atheists.  And they certainly don’t think for example that the Muslims believe in “my” god but just have a funny name for her.  They literally think they believe in something that isn’t real and hence are what you and I’d call an atheist.

This is totally new to me. I mean, I know a lot of liberal Christians who deny most of the supernatural stuff in the bible, who don’t believe in a physical bodily resurrection of Jesus, etc. I even know some who think of god as more of a cosmic presence or force than a personal deity. But I have never met one who believed that god is totally imaginary. And I can’t think of any reason why such a person would continue to call themselves a theist—or even a deist.

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