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Circumcision In Germany
Posted: 30 June 2012 07:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Circumcision for religious purposes does rub me the wrong way…....

but, I’m very glad it was performed in the time and place I was born. oh oh

If I ever have a son, he’s getting it done.

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Posted: 30 June 2012 08:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I’m curious about your position, mid atlantic.  I was clipped as an infant, but my father wasn’t and when I asked him why I was circumcised, he told me he had a very painful infection as a young boy and didn’t want his sons to run the same risk.  I also understand that male circumcision seems to lower the risk of cervical cancer for their partners. I guess there may be some medical validity.  Do you have other reasons?

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Posted: 30 June 2012 02:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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I’m not aware of any reduction in the risk of cervical cancer ( presumably trough decreased HPV infection) in sexual partners of circumcised males but there are reductions in HIV and some other STD’s. This benefit has to be weighed against the known risks including pain , bleeding, and injuries to the urethra/penis.

Interestingly the medical profession does not push this. In this country Gyn’s like my wife perform the procedure mostly and they get paid very poorly for it (about $45) although Mohels perform it as part of the jewish Briss and get paid in excess of $500 for the same procedure.

Here is an article that goes over the risk benefit for anyone who is interested.

http://sti.bmj.com/content/74/5/368.full.pdf

Correction: There have been some studies showing reduced HPV infection rates as well

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Posted: 30 June 2012 03:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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macgyver - 30 June 2012 02:30 PM

Correction: There have been some studies showing reduced HPV infection rates as well

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Of course, if one is wearing a condom, the rates for ALL of the diseases in question drops down to close to nil.  Which is why I always find it amusing when someone trumpets the ‘medical advantages’ of circumcision when it comes to sexually transmitted diseases.

Hey, a woman’s sewn-up vagina would reduce many sexually-transmitted diseases too, so I guess that’s a checkmark in the ‘Pros’ column for sewing up women’s vaginas!

(meant only partially facetiously :)

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Posted: 30 June 2012 04:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Jeciron - 30 June 2012 08:25 AM

I’m curious about your position, mid atlantic.  I was clipped as an infant, but my father wasn’t and when I asked him why I was circumcised, he told me he had a very painful infection as a young boy and didn’t want his sons to run the same risk.  I also understand that male circumcision seems to lower the risk of cervical cancer for their partners. I guess there may be some medical validity.  Do you have other reasons?

Well at the risk of being too vulgar, most of the opinions of women that I’ve heard on the subject, say they prefer circumcised.

Also, IMO it’s gross from a hygiene POV.

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Posted: 30 June 2012 05:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Interesting, M-A.  I had the opposite reports.  It’s most probably that women are far more clever than we males so, whichever we are, is the one thay say they prefer.  LOL

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Posted: 30 June 2012 06:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Occam. - 30 June 2012 05:36 PM

Interesting, M-A.  I had the opposite reports.  It’s most probably that women are far more clever than we males so, whichever we are, is the one thay say they prefer.   :lol:

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Posted: 30 June 2012 10:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Occam. - 30 June 2012 05:36 PM

Interesting, M-A.  I had the opposite reports.  It’s most probably that women are far more clever than we males so, whichever we are, is the one thay say they prefer.  LOL

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Posted: 01 July 2012 06:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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mid atlantic - 30 June 2012 04:21 PM

Well at the risk of being too vulgar, most of the opinions of women that I’ve heard on the subject, say they prefer circumcised.

That’s not what they’ve told me   tongue wink

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Posted: 01 July 2012 07:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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That’s not what they’ve told me  

Oh god not that old cliche again! (THat’s what she said heh heh). I believe in this respect it’s a matter of size, or so I’ve been told; that’s what she said heh heh. wink 


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Posted: 01 July 2012 12:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Quoting M0A:

We must keep company with very different types of women.

  You must be extremely lucky, M-A, since ALL the women with whom you keep company are completely honest with you, and you are also completely certain of that.  LOL

And for TVA - Right.  There are quite a few factors including technique, emotional closeness, perceived power differences, etc. that also influence their evaluation.

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Posted: 01 July 2012 05:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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I hear the two oldest lies are:

The checks in the mail.

You’re the best l’ve ever had.

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Posted: 01 July 2012 07:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Occam. - 01 July 2012 12:46 PM

Quoting M0A:

We must keep company with very different types of women.

  You must be extremely lucky, M-A, since ALL the women with whom you keep company are completely honest with you, and you are also completely certain of that.  LOL

And for TVA - Right.  There are quite a few factors including technique, emotional closeness, perceived power differences, etc. that also influence their evaluation.

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Oi, wrong topic.

I’m talking about certain female’s opinions on the aesthetics, not whether it has an effect on being a good partner.

That is a very different can of worms!

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Posted: 01 July 2012 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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beauty is in the eye of the beholder


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Posted: 01 July 2012 11:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Freed of religion and freedom from religion are two sides of the same coin.  If people want to circumcise in the name of their god then the State needs to leave them alone to do so.

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