I hat to be a wet blanket here but those monkeys had better be wearing fur lined parkas in the future because most climatologists agree that the global warming we’re now experiencing will ultimately lead to the next ice age, which BTW is overdo. Natural cooling is being prevented by man. And that’s the real problem we will face. You can’t grow corn on a glacier.
Read the article a little more carefully. That ice age will be confined to Europe and the Northeastern United States. The rest of the world will be in the convection oven.
I hat to be a wet blanket here but those monkeys had better be wearing fur lined parkas in the future because most climatologists agree that the global warming we’re now experiencing will ultimately lead to the next ice age, which BTW is overdo. Natural cooling is being prevented by man. And that’s the real problem we will face. You can’t grow corn on a glacier.
Read the article a little more carefully. That ice age will be confined to Europe and the Northeastern United States. The rest of the world will be in the convection oven.
Good catch!
and in fact, the North Atlantic area, including Greenland, UK isles, etc. has a record of more extreme variations compared with global records. Thanks to that concentration of the Gulf Stream Current’s influence in creating and pushing around warm water > and air masses. that global heat engine . . .
and cascading consequences
Why wouldn’t I want to read it? Oh right. I forgot. I’m a global warming denier. I am? I guess so. Cool, maybe I can get on TV now. I probably don’t need to worry about my credentials either. None of those people usually have any, so “some guy on the internet assumed I’m a climate change denier because I don’t treat it like the Holy Word of God” should work just fine.
Occam. - 11 July 2012 10:28 AM
Hey DM, you can always go to either the 911 conspiracy threads or the free will/determinism ones to soapbox over. You can soapbox on them and be sure you won’t be ignored (although the answers may not make much sense. Damn, where are those smileys when you need them? ).
Occam
True. Maybe I can annoy them all by endlessly extolling the virtues of Juche. Ooo. I could even share my sawdust-based kimchi recipe. It’s freaking good!
Why wouldn’t I want to read it? Oh right. I forgot. I’m a global warming denier. I am? I guess so.
When you act like a denier and talk like a denier, it is reasonable to assume you are a denier. Why else propagate lies without a disclaimer? Now you’re backpedaling and playing the victim. I have no sympathy for you.
When you act like a denier and talk like a denier, it is reasonable to assume you are a denier. Why else propagate lies without a disclaimer? Now you’re backpedaling and playing the victim. I have no sympathy for you.
I am neither backpedaling nor playing the victim. Though for $7.95/min I can. What I am doing, is mocking you. And that I do for free.
Maybe I like stirring things up. Maybe I like calling people’s assumptions into question. Maybe I like pointing out annoying details and overlooked possibilities. Maybe I’m just an annoying contrarian asshole. (I’m going with D.)
As for the lack of disclaimers and whatnot? Eff that. One, it’s not as fun. Two, it runs counter to my purposes. And three, I assume everyone here is smart and informed enough to spot BS. Or not.
Scientific American has a well-written, honest and nuanced article on the effects and uncertainties of global warming, told by one who is studying the phenomena. Exactly the opposite of the simplistic lie linked in the OP.
Darron, I did read the material I sited and it mentions nothing about how the rest of the World below the glaciers would be configured. In fact that area would be dry with expanded deserts and grasslands as trees would recede, so no tropical forests for the monkeys. For a full picture of the last one download Brian Fagan’s book “the Little Ice Age”. He’s very thorough in explaining the consequences of the cooling period and how it’s inevitable.
Maybe I like stirring things up. Maybe I like calling people’s assumptions into question. Maybe I like pointing out annoying details and overlooked possibilities. Maybe I’m just an annoying contrarian asshole. (I’m going with D.)
As I said before, welcome back DM! And as I told Occam once, never assume, it makes an ASS of U and Me! Old one, but so am I!
Darron, I did read the material I sited and it mentions nothing about how the rest of the World below the glaciers would be configured. In fact that area would be dry with expanded deserts and grasslands as trees would recede, so no tropical forests for the monkeys. For a full picture of the last one download Brian Fagan’s book “the Little Ice Age”. He’s very thorough in explaining the consequences of the cooling period and how it’s inevitable.
You’re right. Maybe I should have read the article more closely. Trouble is, that article contradicts what I have read in peer-reviewed literature. The consensus is Europe and Eastern North America will undergo an ice age if the Atlantic Conveyor shuts down even while the rest of the world continues to warm.
Darron, I did read the material I sited and it mentions nothing about how the rest of the World below the glaciers would be configured. In fact that area would be dry with expanded deserts and grasslands as trees would recede, so no tropical forests for the monkeys. For a full picture of the last one download Brian Fagan’s book “the Little Ice Age”. He’s very thorough in explaining the consequences of the cooling period and how it’s inevitable.
Actually I take issue with the way you describe the write up. All I found was a description of events. Nor did I see any claim about future inevitability. Quite the contrary, look at the bottom above his “summary of the sequence of events for the last 130,000.” years
The unstable nature of the Earth’s climate history suggests that it may be liable to change suddenly in the future. By putting large quantities of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, humans are exerting pressure on the climate system which might produce a drastic change without much prior warning. As the geologist W.S. Broecker has said, “Climate is an angry beast, and we are poking it with sticks”
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