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Posted: 19 May 2013 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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Write4U - 19 May 2013 12:27 AM

Question just came to mind:

We know those who committed suicide believed they would go to heaven.  I wonder how many religious people would also believe these people went to heaven? I’m sure of at least one religion which promises entrance by killing yourself along with a bunch of other innocent bystanders as long as it is not specifically forbidden. Perhaps some other tribal warrior religions may,  Japan and China did also, until outlawed.
But would any sane person even entertain the thought?  I call it delusional.

Yeah…the fringe stuff is more grey.
I guarantee you that many in the Jim Jones cult were NOT delusional.  Many of those folks were just regular religious seekers who were also very poor folk who were disenchanted with the usual system.
I believe the process that led to their mass suicide was very complicated, but up to the end I think there were lots(majority) of those folks who were sane.
As for the smaller cults who knows?  Whats the dividing line between brain washed and delusional?

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Posted: 19 May 2013 01:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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VYAZMA,

What’s the dividing line between brain washed and delusional?

I can’t give you a specific drawn line but it happened in “1984”........25r30wi.gif

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

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Posted: 19 May 2013 03:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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VYAZMA - 19 May 2013 11:35 AM
Write4U - 19 May 2013 12:27 AM

Question just came to mind:

We know those who committed suicide believed they would go to heaven.  I wonder how many religious people would also believe these people went to heaven? I’m sure of at least one religion which promises entrance by killing yourself along with a bunch of other innocent bystanders as long as it is not specifically forbidden. Perhaps some other tribal warrior religions may,  Japan and China did also, until outlawed.
But would any sane person even entertain the thought?  I call it delusional.

Yeah…the fringe stuff is more grey.
I guarantee you that many in the Jim Jones cult were NOT delusional.  Many of those folks were just regular religious seekers who were also very poor folk who were disenchanted with the usual system.
I believe the process that led to their mass suicide was very complicated, but up to the end I think there were lots(majority) of those folks who were sane.
As for the smaller cults who knows?  Whats the dividing line between brain washed and delusional?

I think that a delusion is typically a more acute immediate neurochemical phenemenon than are the beliefs which one gains from “brainwashing”.

Remember the Haile-Bopp comet guys?  They probably fit in the “brain-washed” category, unless they were perpetually on some psychogenic drugs of some kind.

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