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Posted: 21 July 2012 09:16 AM   [ Ignore ]
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21 people treated for burns after firewalk at Tony Robbins appearance.

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_21125630

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Posted: 21 July 2012 10:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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confused Don’t get me started on this guy, what a champion bulls#####r he is.

The “walkers” who were burnt should have read about physics, rather then Robbins’ psychobabble, then they wouldn’t have gotten hurt.

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Posted: 21 July 2012 10:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Actually, fire walking need not be dangerous. They did an episode of Mythbusters on it awhile back, and I think Skeptical Inquirer has had articles as well. If the coals are allowed to grey over, the feet are slightly damp with sweat or dew, and one walks quickly, one can do it without injury. But if the fire isn’t prepared correctly ...

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Posted: 22 July 2012 06:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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The problem here is that this Robbins has convinced his followers that their state of mind can actually protect them from the heat. After all that is his claim to fame, that the mind is such a powerful thing it can overcome natural forces or something to that effect. After this event one woman who was not injured was quoted with great glee exclaiming that it “was amazing what the mind can do” when in fact she was merely lucky. Most likely some of the factors Doug mentioned were different enough in her case that she was fortunate not to get burned.

The mind is an amazing thing but no amount of neural activity can change the fact that heat energy transferred to human skin will burn it. The mind can not change the laws of physics.

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Posted: 22 July 2012 07:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Not very off topic…

I mentioned this thread to my lady and she asked if I ever heard of James Ray and the sweatlodge deaths.  I did not.
But, lookie there he’s in the news:


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/spiritual-leader-james-ray-arrested-sweat-lodge-deaths/story?id=9741781#.UAwHKXC-k-k
James Ray Arrested in Sedona Sweat Lodge Deaths
By LEE FERRAN
Feb. 3, 2010


He’s trying to appeal now

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/james-arthur-ray-appeal_n_1690013.html

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Posted: 22 July 2012 10:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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The main thing the mind can do is convince other minds of stupid things.  Another example, theism.  smile

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Posted: 22 July 2012 05:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I mentioned this thread to my lady and she asked if I ever heard of James Ray and the sweatlodge deaths.  I did not.
But, lookie there he’s in the news:


This is yet another example of the woo that naive people fall prey to because they don’t research this crap; they turn off their reasoning skills and believe the guru who tells them what they want to hear. Some shill explains that it’s natural and will cleanse body and soul and they dutifully put themselves in harm’s way without a second thought and all for the low, low price of ... . Just shut up, believe and hand me your money.


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Posted: 22 July 2012 05:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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“Thank god” physics couldn’t be changed by beliefs, otherwise i wouldnt dare go out after nightfall because of sparkling Vampires grin

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Posted: 22 July 2012 05:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Alexander80 - 22 July 2012 05:38 PM

“Thank god” physics couldn’t be changed by beliefs, otherwise i wouldnt dare go out after nightfall because of sparkling Vampires grin

C’mon, Alex. Get yer analogies straight. Sparkling Vampires are all about Biology, not Physics. smiley_slapbackhead.gif

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Posted: 22 July 2012 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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C’mon, Alex. Get yer analogies straight. Sparkling Vampires are all about Biology, not Physics.

 

Ok, I’ll bite (pun intended). What the hell is a “sparkling vampire”?  vampire

 


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Posted: 22 July 2012 06:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Sparkling Vampires have something to do with a dreadful movie called Twilight.

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Posted: 22 July 2012 07:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Sparkling Vampires have something to do with a dreadful movie called Twilight.


Ugh! My daughter was addicted to those books and the movies. WWBST?  mad


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Posted: 23 July 2012 12:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Here is a great “Tony Bobbins” spoof.  I remember this when this first aired.  Brilliant as usual.

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Posted: 23 July 2012 01:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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What’s so distressing is the huge number of people who get sucked in by someone this transparent.

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Posted: 23 July 2012 01:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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macgyver - 22 July 2012 06:48 AM

The problem here is that this Robbins has convinced his followers that their state of mind can actually protect them from the heat. After all that is his claim to fame, that the mind is such a powerful thing it can overcome natural forces or something to that effect. After this event one woman who was not injured was quoted with great glee exclaiming that it “was amazing what the mind can do” when in fact she was merely lucky. Most likely some of the factors Doug mentioned were different enough in her case that she was fortunate not to get burned.

The mind is an amazing thing but no amount of neural activity can change the fact that heat energy transferred to human skin will burn it. The mind can not change the laws of physics.

I’d like to see his mind stop my fist! (Well, I wouldn’t actually hit him… OMG, it worked without him even thinking about it!  tongue laugh)

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Thevillageatheist - 22 July 2012 07:41 PM

Sparkling Vampires have something to do with a dreadful movie called Twilight.


Ugh! My daughter was addicted to those books and the movies. WWBST?  mad


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Twilight-and-Blade.jpg

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