When Christians are their own worst enemies
Posted: 25 July 2012 01:04 PM   [ Ignore ]
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When Christians are their own worst enemies
By LZ Granderson, CNN Contributor

For example, after the September 11 terror attacks, Jerry Falwell blamed the ACLU, as well as feminists, gays and lesbians, for lifting God’s veil of protection.

After Hurricane Katrina, Pastor John Hagee said he believed God caused the largest natural disaster in U.S. history to stop a gay pride parade in New Orleans.

Bodies were still being recovered from the 2010 earthquake in Haiti when Pat Robertson said the country was struck because it made a “pact to the devil.”

And just this weekend, as the nation is trying to heal from the theater shootings in Aurora, Colorado, Jerry Newcombe, a spokesman for the evangelical group Truth in Action, took time out of his day to inform mourners that some of their loved ones were going to hell.

His comments were made after U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, said he believed the shootings happened because Christianity is under attack.

He then wondered why “you know, with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying? That could have stopped this guy more quickly?” Carrying a gun, of course.

That’s right—a congressman who sits on the House Judiciary Committee is talking about a shootout in a dark room filled with tear gas and panicked, innocent people. And we ask ourselves why Congress is so dysfunctional. . .

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Posted: 25 July 2012 02:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Whenever there is an unequal distribution of resources, the organisms which experience deprivation will go extinct or become more virulent. I am afraid that humans are not exempt from this evolutionary law.

Instead of the accepted 14 billion people as our baseline of overcrowding, perhaps this threshold is much lower and we are already seeing signs of the start of survival mode in humans.  The rich grab as much as they can and they are very efficient at doing this, The middleclass is slowly driven into poverty, and the poor are already in survival mode. Is it wonder that violent crime is on the increase?

But for a clergy to identify a natural disaster as a punishment from God for some purely imaginary moral conduct, he is addressing the wrong crowd. Speak to the people who are committing the deadly sins of “greed” and “gluttony”. They are the ones who are causing the imbalance in demographics, as well as the biosphere. What we are witnessing are symptoms of a an ever widening gap between the “equality” of man. A man-made condition where some have too much and some have too little and the littles are fighting back.
It’s all very Darwinian.

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Posted: 26 July 2012 06:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Problem with your post, W4U, is violent crime is decreasing, not increasing.

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Posted: 26 July 2012 06:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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But for a clergy to identify a natural disaster as a punishment from God for some purely imaginary moral conduct, he is addressing the wrong crowd. Speak to the people who are committing the deadly sins of “greed” and “gluttony”. They are the ones who are causing the imbalance in demographics, as well as the biosphere. What we are witnessing are symptoms of a an ever widening gap between the “equality” of man. A man-made condition where some have too much and some have too little and the littles are fighting back.
It’s all very Darwinian.


True except that fundamentalist xtianity and big businesses are married mainly for political purposes. Millions go into the coffers of the mega churches and their leaders to support causes such as opposing sanctions to stop global warming. The conservative right uses religion to convince voters to elect legislators to power who back big businesses. One example is the Cornwall alliance, which uses it’s backing from oil and coal interests to fight legislation curtailing global warming. Over a thousand fundie religious leaders are involved. greed, gluttony and god go hand in hand here.


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Posted: 26 July 2012 08:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 26 July 2012 06:32 AM

One example is the Cornwall alliance, which uses it’s backing from oil and coal interests to fight legislation curtailing global warming. Over a thousand fundie religious leaders are involved. greed, gluttony and god go hand in hand here.

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Oh golly jeezup,
It keeps getting worse than I could have imagined possible.  I wasn’t familiar with Cornwall Alliance:

Cornwall Alliance releases An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming

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As governments consider policies to fight alleged man-made global warming, evangelical leaders have a responsibility to be well informed, and then to speak out. A Renewed Call to Truth, Prudence, and Protection of the Poor: An Evangelical Examination of the Theology, Science, and Economics of Global Warming demonstrates that many of these proposed policies would destroy jobs and impose trillions of dollars in costs to achieve no net benefits. They could be implemented only by enormous and dangerous expansion of government control over private life. Worst of all, by raising energy prices and hindering economic development, they would slow or stop the rise of the world’s poor out of poverty and so condemn millions to premature death.

The f’n theology of global warming?!


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Posted: 26 July 2012 03:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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DarronS - 26 July 2012 06:01 AM

Problem with your post, W4U, is violent crime is decreasing, not increasing.

In Europe and Canada yes, not here in the US. But they have reasonable social system. The US, for all it’s natural resources and wealth, has just about the highest crime rate and incarceration of all the “civilized” countries.
Then add the general violence in “underdeveloped” countries. People are dying by the millions. 

If the republicans come to power and the working class and middle class get poorer and poorer, I predict an upsurge in crime and violence here in the US.

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Posted: 26 July 2012 06:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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As governments consider policies to fight alleged man-made global warming, evangelical leaders have a responsibility to be well informed, and then to speak out. A Renewed Call to Truth, Prudence, and Protection of the Poor: An Evangelical Examination of the Theology, Science, and Economics of Global Warming demonstrates that many of these proposed policies would destroy jobs and impose trillions of dollars in costs to achieve no net benefits. They could be implemented only by enormous and dangerous expansion of government control over private life. Worst of all, by raising energy prices and hindering economic development, they would slow or stop the rise of the world’s poor out of poverty and so condemn millions to premature death.


So if we don’t raise taxes on the wealthy and allow for unbridled pollution of the environment enabling the 1%ers to pursue their continued policy of personal greed, then millions of poor people will die prematurely? This is batshit crazy thinking. Oops, sorry, this is argument from false cause thinking. Love the oxymoron, evangelical science!

 

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Posted: 26 July 2012 06:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 26 July 2012 06:10 PM

As governments consider policies to fight alleged man-made global warming, evangelical leaders have a responsibility to be well informed, and then to speak out. A Renewed Call to Truth, Prudence, and Protection of the Poor: An Evangelical Examination of the Theology, Science, and Economics of Global Warming demonstrates that many of these proposed policies would destroy jobs and impose trillions of dollars in costs to achieve no net benefits. They could be implemented only by enormous and dangerous expansion of government control over private life. Worst of all, by raising energy prices and hindering economic development, they would slow or stop the rise of the world’s poor out of poverty and so condemn millions to premature death.


So if we don’t raise taxes on the wealthy and allow for unbridled pollution of the environment enabling the 1%ers to pursue their continued policy of personal greed, then millions of poor people will die prematurely? This is batshit crazy thinking. Oops, sorry, this is argument from false cause thinking. Love the oxymoron, evangelical science!

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I am not sure if that is an appropriate answer to the quoted post(unless it was sarcasm). 
a) yes, if this trend persists, millions of people will die, the evidence is clear.
b) (red highlight) where does the assumption of an “enormous and dangerous expansion of government” come into the equation?
c) Actually I am delighted that the church finally has taken a stance on Humane and Natural ethics, other than “the written word”, but as usual they have to spoil the entire idea by introducing Big Bad government.

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Posted: 26 July 2012 07:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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For the first time, news-sites are calling them on their bullsh*t. I saw several articles with captions labeling the remarks as ‘offensive’, whereas they were previously went unquestioned.

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I am not sure if that is an appropriate answer to the quoted post(unless it was sarcasm). 
a) yes, if this trend persists, millions of people will die, the evidence is clear.
b) (red highlight) where does the assumption of an “enormous and dangerous expansion of government” come into the equation?
c) Actually I am delighted that the church finally has taken a stance on Humane and Natural ethics, other than “the written word”, but as usual they have to spoil the entire idea by introducing Big Bad government.


Yes, it was meant as sarcasm. What trend are you referring to, the idea that everyone should allow oil and gas interests to reap gigantic profits at the expense of the environment? If not checked then Billions will die from pollution of the air and water not to mention overcrowding to which you have already alluded. These problems are masked by a biblical quote about humans and their godly sanctions to master the flora and fauna and be fruitful and multiply. In response to “B”, th mention of big government is meant as a slam to governmental restrictions on big business concerning the environment. Cornwall wants Unfettered businesses with NO governmental controls. This org. Has nothing to do with humane and natural ethics. It’s main concern is lassez faire capitalism. It uses the “written word” as a make weight to convince fundie voters to vote on the side of the industrialists.


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Posted: 26 July 2012 08:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Ok, I agree.

But I have seen some clergy who have warned about the lack of stewardship of the environment. IMO, that was a positive sign, but for this organization to use the church as an excuse to commit crimes against Nature (and by extension Humanity) under the guise of God given rights is worse than just a crime, it is a travesty.

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