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Is dipping the flag a worthwhile tradition?
Posted: 29 July 2012 12:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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It’s all part of being an “exceptional country with exceptional people”. Problem is that this is a false pride and inherently prejudicial. There are other exceptional countries which value “politeness” and “courtesy”.

This is one of the reasons I like Obama, he has tried to practice the art of concilliatory diplomacy and has restored the true face of America. Then Romney goes around insulting every single time he is being hosted. His idea of American exceptionalism is rooted in money and power, not the fundamental humanity of the Constitution..

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Posted: 29 July 2012 04:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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What, exactly, does “dipping” the flag mean?  is it synonymous with ‘lowering’ the flag?

I’ve never heard it before :)

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Posted: 29 July 2012 05:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Axegrrl - 29 July 2012 04:46 AM

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What, exactly, does “dipping” the flag mean?  is it synonymous with ‘lowering’ the flag?

I’ve never heard it before smile

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Yes.

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Posted: 29 July 2012 05:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Axegrrl - 29 July 2012 04:46 AM

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What, exactly, does “dipping” the flag mean?  is it synonymous with ‘lowering’ the flag?

I’ve never heard it before smile

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I believe dipping thr flag it is briefly lowering the pole, not the flag. Instead of straight up, the pole is held at a diagonal. Very similar to tipping one’s hat (wih a slight nod), a gesture of courtesy, respect, and loyalty to a common cause, i.e. peaceful competition in sports.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/22/sports/la-sp-0723-oly-dropping-flag-20120723

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Posted: 29 July 2012 05:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I believe dipping thr flag it is briefly lowering the pole, not the flag. Instead of straight up, the pole is held at a diagonal. Very similar to tipping once hat (wih a slight nod), a gesture of courtesy, respect, and loyalty to a common cause, i.e. peaceful competition in sports.

That’s right. It was considered a matter of courtesy and is a military custom. Ex. When military vessels entered a Foreign port they were expected to lower the flag, usually half way as a sort of dip then back to the original position. US military formations used to carry two flags one national and one to designate the formation. The formation flag would be dipped to dignitaries and the national flag was left in place. It’s an old custom to show national pride, but honestly I think we’ve more than made our point since the last century. As a citizen, I’m really fed to the back teeth (old Appalachian expression) with unilateral thinking. There are many countries out there and they deserve the same respect that they give to us, even Belgium and Lichtenstein. Ok Andorra too. Cool flag. My favorite, I collect them BTW is the one my exchange student from Basque country gave me. Yes the basques do have a national flag. Much to the chagrin of the Spanish.


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Posted: 30 July 2012 08:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Posted: 30 July 2012 02:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Let’s take this argument to the extreme and see if it still fits.  Suppose, as the U.S. contingent walked pass the Queen of England, they had all raised their hands with middle finger extended.  Could we say, “It’s OK.  The U.S. is just expressing their feelings of power and national pride”? 

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Posted: 30 July 2012 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Occam. - 30 July 2012 02:52 PM

Let’s take this argument to the extreme and see if it still fits.  Suppose, as the U.S. contingent walked pass the Queen of England, they had all raised their hands with middle finger extended.  Could we say, “It’s OK.  The U.S. is just expressing their feelings of power and national pride”? 

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I remember that first black athlete who raised a “black power” fist during the awards. It created more of a stir here than in the host country or the world for that matter. It was an extraordinary breach of American “manners” and shook our nation’s delicate sensibilities of practicing courtesy and respect to its very foundations.

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Posted: 31 July 2012 11:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Occam. - 30 July 2012 02:52 PM

Let’s take this argument to the extreme and see if it still fits.  Suppose, as the U.S. contingent walked pass the Queen of England, they had all raised their hands with middle finger extended.  Could we say, “It’s OK.  The U.S. is just expressing their feelings of power and national pride”? 

Man, that mental image made me laugh out loud.  LOL

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Posted: 31 July 2012 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Let’s take this argument to the extreme and see if it still fits.  Suppose, as the U.S. contingent walked pass the Queen of England, they had all raised their hands with middle finger extended.  Could we say, “It’s OK.  The U.S. is just expressing their feelings of power and national pride”? 

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Then the Queen and her entourage would reply in kind with their traditional 2 finger salute to express their ancient tradition of power display and national pride pre dating America’s by some 500 years. take that you pretentious “Jonathans!” eh what? Cheeky devils.

 

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