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Did Your Brain Make You Do It? (NYT 7/29)
Posted: 03 January 2013 08:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 136 ]
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GdB - 03 January 2013 08:02 AM
morgantj - 03 January 2013 07:55 AM

Why even bother with statements of “could have if” in a deterministic environment?

Because part of the way to make sense of causality is the use of such statements. And without causality there is no naturalistic way to speak about determinism.

See counter factuals.

smile I know. “I agree, it is for clarification and understanding if nothing else.” I just have a habit of socratic questioning.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 08:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 137 ]
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morgantj - 03 January 2013 08:12 AM

smile I know. “I agree, it is for clarification and understanding if nothing else.” I just have a habit of socratic questioning.

Then why did you do away your ‘Socratic avatar’? I liked it.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 09:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 138 ]
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GdB - 03 January 2013 08:49 AM
morgantj - 03 January 2013 08:12 AM

smile I know. “I agree, it is for clarification and understanding if nothing else.” I just have a habit of socratic questioning.

Then why did you do away your ‘Socratic avatar’? I liked it.

I don’t recall having a “Socratic avatar.” Not intentionally anyways. My previous avatar was just a different picture of me. I updated it to relatively newer pic.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 09:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 139 ]
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smile I know. “I agree, it is for clarification and understanding if nothing else.” I just have a habit of socratic questioning.

Then why did you do away your ‘Socratic avatar’? I liked it.

I don’t recall having a “Socratic avatar.” Not intentionally anyways. My previous avatar was just a different picture of me. I updated it to relatively newer pic.

Am I confusing you with somebody else? Didn’t you have once a very classical man with a beard, looking to the right, as avatar?

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Posted: 03 January 2013 09:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 140 ]
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making and doing same kind of question   what is brain for   what are you for

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Posted: 03 January 2013 09:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 141 ]
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GdB - 03 January 2013 09:28 AM
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morgantj - 03 January 2013 08:12 AM

smile I know. “I agree, it is for clarification and understanding if nothing else.” I just have a habit of socratic questioning.

Then why did you do away your ‘Socratic avatar’? I liked it.

I don’t recall having a “Socratic avatar.” Not intentionally anyways. My previous avatar was just a different picture of me. I updated it to relatively newer pic.

Am I confusing you with somebody else? Didn’t you have once a very classical man with a beard, looking to the right, as avatar?

Yes, you must have me confused with somebody else. I am much better looking. smile

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Posted: 03 January 2013 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 142 ]
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arnoldg - 03 January 2013 09:45 AM

making and doing same kind of question   what is brain for   what are you for

If you are using translation software, unfortunately, it is not working well enough to particpate in these discussions.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 143 ]
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morgantj - 03 January 2013 09:52 AM
GdB - 03 January 2013 09:28 AM
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morgantj - 03 January 2013 08:12 AM

smile I know. “I agree, it is for clarification and understanding if nothing else.” I just have a habit of socratic questioning.

Then why did you do away your ‘Socratic avatar’? I liked it.

I don’t recall having a “Socratic avatar.” Not intentionally anyways. My previous avatar was just a different picture of me. I updated it to relatively newer pic.

Am I confusing you with somebody else? Didn’t you have once a very classical man with a beard, looking to the right, as avatar?

Yes, you must have me confused with somebody else. I am much better looking. smile

GdB is right. You did have an avatar like that.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 10:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 144 ]
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could you occasionally say what kind of philosophical discussion your having     so we might know what you are discussing   what is philosophy for

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Posted: 03 January 2013 10:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 145 ]
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GdB - 03 January 2013 05:38 AM
StephenLawrence - 03 January 2013 04:33 AM

But somehow they don’t seem to realise that most people don’t and it is a problem. This philosophy does make a difference, I expect it is to you and your relationships.

I do realise it. Why do you think I don’t?

OK I accept that. You’re very much like Dennett, the emphasis is very much on the freedom we do have (very important) but very little on the other free will people generally believe in and what damage believing in it might do.

Ideally I’d like to see Dennett deal with both more. In his response to Bruce Waller, he said we can’t be “guilty in gods eyes” i.e can’t be ultimately responsible and “good ridence to that” or (something similar) but that’s about all you get and then it’s back to compatibilism.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 10:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 146 ]
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George - 03 January 2013 09:53 AM
morgantj - 03 January 2013 09:52 AM
GdB - 03 January 2013 09:28 AM
morgantj - 03 January 2013 09:09 AM
GdB - 03 January 2013 08:49 AM
morgantj - 03 January 2013 08:12 AM

smile I know. “I agree, it is for clarification and understanding if nothing else.” I just have a habit of socratic questioning.

Then why did you do away your ‘Socratic avatar’? I liked it.

I don’t recall having a “Socratic avatar.” Not intentionally anyways. My previous avatar was just a different picture of me. I updated it to relatively newer pic.

Am I confusing you with somebody else? Didn’t you have once a very classical man with a beard, looking to the right, as avatar?

Yes, you must have me confused with somebody else. I am much better looking. smile

GdB is right. You did have an avatar like that.

Wow, that was a long time ago. I’m surprised you both remember. Even I forgot, until you insisted and I just now went looking for what it could have been. I think I found it.

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Posted: 03 January 2013 11:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 147 ]
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That could be the same person, but it’s not the same image. It looked a bit more funky than this.

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Posted: 04 January 2013 02:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 148 ]
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Exactly, as George said. It was a (detail of a) painting. Who is it, morgantj?

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Posted: 04 January 2013 06:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 149 ]
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GdB - 04 January 2013 02:18 AM

Exactly, as George said. It was a (detail of a) painting. Who is it, morgantj?

In that case, I don’t know which avatar you are referring to. I recently changed it to a photo of me. Previously it was a different more artistic pic of me. Currently, it is a resemblance of Socrates.

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Posted: 19 January 2013 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 150 ]
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Oh, what the brain makes us do!......shame.gif

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