I’m guessing that you-GdB, are trying to advance some meta-buddhist value system on everyone.
What has this to do in a discussion based on arguments?
The concept of deserving has some absolute touch. It seems that some people think that the kind and severity of the punishment is rooted in some metaphysical justification. It is not. Those who punish cannot sneak out of responsibility themselves. So partially you are right, but then what punishment somebody deserves is dependent on the culture. So how do a crime and the punishment trade off? Stealing a loaf of bread is punished by: exile to Australia, your hand cut of, or by a small note at the police department? A killing motivated by jealousy is punished by 3 years or 15 years prison? A killing in the same way, but because of robbery by 15 or 25 years? Does the concept of ‘deserving’ helps us to decide such questions? I think it doesn’t.
So it is completely normal on a philosophical and scientific naturalistic level to assign blame, reward, accolades or punishment. It’s normal on any other level as well.
Yes, of course, I do not even disagree with you (your eyes seem to become red when I discuss a topic about free will or responsibility even before you really read it). We have good reasons to punish criminals. But the concept of ‘deserving’ is no use at all.
The concept of deserving serves a very important purpose. As a collective society we evolve ideas and concepts of deserving based on laws and mores, ethics and emotions.
I don’t see how you can come to that conclusion given everything else you stated in ths reply alone.
Remember, your subjective view of what the proper punishment is for the specific crime is only partially relevant. We evolved into complex social societies wherein we give up…or no, we substitute our primal instincts(?) with “chosen” leaders and lawmakers(and other advanced social behavior skills).
These lawmakers and “tribal leaders” set forth values and ethics and laws and lines to cross or not cross.
Interestingly you mentioned crimes of property. Yes. Yes. It would appear that these type laws skew the perception of justice horribly. The perception of desserts is horribly skewed right?
Well, it’s a complex trade off that somehow satisfies most people, most of the time, just enough.