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Posted: 14 August 2012 10:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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I think the problem here is that not everyone subscribes to the same type of moral responsibilities.

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Posted: 14 August 2012 12:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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True.  As I see it, self interest and social interest (cooperation and working together for the benefit of all) are at odds and balanced in most of us.  The two spectra:  self <—-> society and conservative <—-> liberal seem to overlap almost entirely.  The strong conservative sees his/her moral responsibility as maximizing benefits for him/herself and assuring that none of his/her benefits go to others.  The strong liberal sees his/her moral responsibility as maximizing benefits for all and all sharing those benefits fairly equally.

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Posted: 14 August 2012 01:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Not sure if I agree here, Occam. What you’re describing as a conservative here, sounds to me more like a libertarian. I imagine that conservatives are probably much more supportive within their own group(s) than the liberals or libertarians. The liberals, OTOH, feel the need to distribute their resources among a wider chunk of the population. I guess a libertarian would be the only one here who is unwilling to help others.

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Posted: 14 August 2012 03:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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That’s a problem with trying to be succinct—one often doesn’t include sufficient qualifying conditions.

I don’t know what the libertarians you have there are like, but around here they are at the extreme conservative end of the spectrum.  Self-interest does include the family and local group but definitely not society in general.  The libertarians I know are extremely supportive of their extended families and their close groups, but they just don’t want to pay ANY taxes that would be used for the general welfare.

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Posted: 14 August 2012 03:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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I have yet to meet a libertarian in person. I don’t think they grow in Canada.  grin

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Posted: 14 August 2012 04:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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There you go, bragging about Canada again.  LOL  LOL  LOL 

Geez, how I envy you people. smile

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Posted: 14 August 2012 10:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Occam. - 14 August 2012 04:08 PM

There you go, bragging about Canada again.  LOL  LOL  LOL 

Geez, how I envy you people. smile

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Canada does seem to have a superior social/political culture, but surely it is too cold up there most of the time.  But with global warming increasing… damn.

At least for now we have a superior women’s soccer team… USA! USA! USA!

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Posted: 15 August 2012 05:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Women play soccer?

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Posted: 15 August 2012 03:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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George - 15 August 2012 05:11 AM

Women play soccer?

Yeah, and Canadian women play it quite well. I am not much of a soccer fan either, but the Olympic Canada/USA semifinal match was a fantastic game.

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Posted: 15 August 2012 06:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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I really miss traveler. downer And he would have gotten my cannibal joke, too.

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Posted: 15 August 2012 07:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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There you go, bragging about Canada again.       

Geez, how I envy you people.

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You have absolutely no idea how much I do. I like frozen freethinkers! Missed my chance to move to Hamilton in 70’.


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Posted: 15 August 2012 07:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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George - 15 August 2012 06:59 PM

I really miss traveler. downer And he would have gotten my cannibal joke, too.

I know that you meant “Women play soccer?” facetiously.  I just have a dry sense of reciprocating humor.

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Posted: 15 August 2012 07:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Really Jack? I think Hamilton is the most depressing city I have ever been to in my life. Maybe it was not like in the seventies, I don’t know.

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Posted: 15 August 2012 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Really Jack? I think Hamilton is the most depressing city I have ever been to in my life. Maybe it was not like in the seventies, I don’t know.

In all honesty George, it was the closest Canadian city to the border from here. I hate to hear that. What depressed you about it?

 

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Posted: 15 August 2012 07:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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The downtown is a ghost town and the rest looks very shabby. I think it may change one day (it has potential), but for the moment I try to avoid it the best I can.

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