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Posted: 25 August 2012 04:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Well, I consider myself sane and what you just wrote makes absolutely no sense. You have made a lot of claims, but not a single shred of evidence.

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Posted: 25 August 2012 05:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Sony, this is not a case of sanity, it is a case of science (ie emperical knowledge) vs. religious dogma. You mentioned that man couldn’t write but we know that writing began over four thousand years BEFORE the Koran was written and yes people could write. We also know that the Muslims, after spreading throughout the middle east encountered and absorbed the cultures of other peoples and adapted their learning for themselves. As to the Koran, it was essentially written prior to this movement and borrowed heavily from xtian writings. Mohammad himself was a trader and came in contact with Jews, xtians, possibly Zoarastrians and of course his own polytheistic tribe. So, my point is that you are attempting to interpret your holy book by infusing science into it, like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole if you get the allusion. Ex, talking about waves under waves doesn’t mean that Mohammad’s followers knew this scientific fact ( discovered BTW in the mid19th Century). This was speculation on their part kind of like referring to hell as having layers. I know this might not make sense to someone who’s mind is locked in a religious strait jacket but if you seek the truth as you say you do then test it by looking at scientific facts and stop trying to fit them into “religious truth”. My point may be lost on you but I’m saying all knowledge doesn’t come from one cobbled together book of sayings. Same for xtians who read their book much less than you do but believe everything that their exorters say about it. So, a warning and a challenge, put down the Koran and pick up a science book, or several and read with an eye for scientific knowledge, only. Your people will be a lot better off in the long run and so will ours.


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Posted: 25 August 2012 09:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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sony - 22 August 2012 04:48 AM

Allah Almighty says “ ((40) Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light

To what subject is this line referring to? Who is ‘they’? To me, this sounds not like a scientific description, but a set of metaphors describing someone mentioned earlier in the verse.

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Posted: 25 August 2012 02:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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sony - 22 August 2012 04:48 AM

Allah Almighty says “ ((40) Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light

To what subject is this line referring to? Who is ‘they’? To me, this sounds not like a scientific description, but a set of metaphors describing someone mentioned earlier in the verse.

I think “they” refers to non-believers, infidels, atheists, anyone not with the program of submitting to Allah. IOW, if you don’t want to be like darkness in the deepest pits of the oceans, submit and become a Muslim.

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Posted: 26 August 2012 05:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Posted: 27 August 2012 04:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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sony - 22 August 2012 04:48 AM

The holy Qur’an referred to a new scientific discovery that is in the deep of oceans there are waves and dark, let us read …

Scientists discovered that in the deep of oceans there are deep waves which are different from surface waves…....

This is not a recent disccovery.

You can make this yourself by putting water and turpentine and olive oil into a jar. They make 3 layers, and if you move the jar you can see waves at each interface.
The Govt spends a lot of money to interpret the signature on the surface of the ocean of these “internal waves”—if fact they are not hidden. 

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Posted: 27 August 2012 04:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
Had never seen the sea did not dive into the depths
How knew the Prophet
That

This
Inspiration from God

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Posted: 27 August 2012 04:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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sony - 27 August 2012 04:37 AM

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
Had never seen the sea did not dive into the depths
How knew the Prophet
That

This
Inspiration from God

Prophet knew that not. About something else prophet talked.

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Posted: 27 August 2012 05:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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George, peace be upon him, sounds mysteriously like the prophet Yoda.


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Posted: 27 August 2012 05:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Thevillageatheist - 27 August 2012 05:12 AM

George, peace be upon him, sounds mysteriously like the prophet Yoda.


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or the prophet Tonto, hi ho Silver be upon him.

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Posted: 27 August 2012 07:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Or a philosopher am I, by the name of Friedrich known.

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Posted: 27 August 2012 04:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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sony - 27 August 2012 04:37 AM

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
Had never seen the sea did not dive into the depths
How knew the Prophet
That

This
Inspiration from God

His destiny was to be eternally misquoted.

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Posted: 27 August 2012 04:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Damn, if only god could read and write in english, then we could get it from the horse’s mouth. But it seems he speaks in a dialect that only Theists can understand and must translate for us sheep….....so sad…...... downer

Seems simple, a stone tablet will do. He did it before!!!

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Posted: 27 August 2012 04:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Why do Muslims always bestow peace on Muhammad, while bestowing hatred on the rest of us uninitiated? Is that not one of the commands of Muhammad?

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Posted: 27 August 2012 06:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Write4U - 27 August 2012 04:53 PM

Damn, if only god could read and write in english, then we could get it from the horse’s mouth. But it seems he speaks in a dialect that only Theists can understand and must translate for us sheep….....so sad…...... downer

Seems simple, a stone tablet will do. He did it before!!!

One of Allah’s 99 names must not be Great Communicator.

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