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Posted: 01 September 2012 04:42 AM   [ Ignore ]
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the revelation came Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad told him Eayat God and reduce him and said, ((6) Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and ] out of sorrow (
The words of Allaah ((21) So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder
(22) You are not over them a controller
(23) However, he who turns away and disbelieves
(24) Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment
(25) Indeed, to Us is their return
(26) Then indeed, upon Us is their account (
 
Torment of the grave should be right to be wary of him and even prepare for this most important stage of our lives, and unfortunately there are those who question the truth in this ....
Some researchers have denied the punishment of the grave on the grounds that it did not appear in the Koran, the Hadith in the right-Bukhari and Muslim have denied these grounds that they violate the Koran, what is the truth of the matter?
Dear beloved! Above all we would like to ask the question: Is there one verse in the Quran says that man is not punished in the grave, of course, the infidel, and not insured? Of course, there are no such verses but there are many verses confirm and prove the torment of the grave.

Verses prove torment of the grave
There is a verse confirms that the infidels are being tortured in the grave and see the fire in the morning and evening, as is the case with Pharaoh and his soldiers, the Almighty says: ((45) So Allah protected him from the evils they plotted, and the people of Pharaoh were enveloped by the worst of punishment * fire offer by noon a day and evening and admitted to the time of Pharaoh the most torment) [forgiving: 45-46]. The next day and evening, particularly this world, and the torment of the Hereafter, either permanent or permanent Naim. Therefore, the Pharaoh’s offering to the fire in the morning and evening, is not this a form of punishment in the grave?

Verses prove torment the moment of death
There are verses confirm that the torment begins from the moment of death, since the angels die This is the infidel, and therefore God says: ((50) And if you could but see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved ... They are striking their faces and their backs and [saying], “Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire. Add new comment) [Anfal: 50]. and here we find that the angels of death who caught the spirit of this infidel may beat him and tortured him and then say to him: (and Taste the torment of the fire) any punishment of the grave and the torment of the Hereafter.
The angels of death come to the infidel form a painful and this kind of torment before the torment of the grave, so God says: ((27) Then how [will it be] when the angels take them in death, striking their faces and their backs) [Mohammad : 27].
There is a verse confirms that the infidel see torment the moment of death, therefore, request the Lord to bring him back to this world, so God says: ((99) [For such is the state of the disbelievers], until, when death comes to one of them, he says, ” My Lord, send me bac
(100) That I might do righteousness in that which I left behind. “No! It is only a word he is saying; and behind them is a barrier until the Day they are resurrected) [Believers: 99-100], and the question: Why ask the infidels refer to the minimum? when they see the torment, of course, know the truth, and they know that God is right, and that the torment of the Fire became a reality, so asking to return to this world to do good works, but it is impossible. ...
If the phenomenon of death go unnoticed if asked why they return to this world?! Therefore, Allah says in the verse again: (10. And spend (in charity) of that with which We have provided you, before death comes to one of you and he says: “My Lord! If only You would give me respite for a little while (i.e. return to the worldly life), then I should give Sadaqah (i.e. Zakat) of my wealth , and be among the righteous [i.e. perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah)].

11. And Allah grants respite to none when his appointed time (death) comes. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do. ) [hypocrites: 10-11]. To be sure, death is not a picnic or stage of sleep where the rights or lose consciousness! It is the stage of suffering or Naim, so always ask the infidel to return to this world because he sees suffering from the moment of death, imagine what awaits him after death!
 
Verses confirm the infidel dialogue with the angels of punishment
There are verses confirm the existence of a dialogue between the infidel and the angels of punishment for the moment of death, and we find that the verses are always talking about punishment after death, for example Think of me this verse, Allah says: ((97) Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, “In what [condition] were you?” They will say, “We were oppressed in the land.” The angels will say, “Was not the earth of All h spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? “For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.) [women: 97].

No one denies the punishment of the grave
The one who contemplates the verses of the Koran teaches that there is no verse in the Koran denies the punishment of the grave only one verse of a suspect on the other, the Almighty says: (52. They will say: “Woe to us! Who has raised us up from our place of sleep.” (It will be said to them): “This is what the Most Beneficent (Allah) had promised, and the Messengers spoke truth!”) [Yassin: 52], and the explanation is: that man in his grave tortures himself that tasted death, but the flesh is in the case of sleep, and when Allaah raises him from his grave, he realizes that the Day of Resurrection, right, and that the punishment will be the soul and body together and that God will replace his skin as maturity, as the Almighty said: ((56) Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, All h is ever Exalted in Might and Wise) [women: 56].
 
Hard Qur’anic and logical that the grave is either the gardens of Paradise, or piece of fire, and say both deny the punishment of the grave, if not convinced by these verses clear this is your problem, not the problem of the Qur’an, Qur’an which explains everything, but only to look and ponder and reflect on.
Talk show torment of the grave
There are dozens of conversations correct and that do not only arrogant confirm the torment of the grave, and even ordered to seek refuge from the torment of the grave, it was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him that the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him said: (If you completed one of you tashahhud others seek refuge with Allah from four of the torment Hell, the torment of the grave and the trials of life and death and evil of the Antichrist) [Narrated by Muslim] ... There is much talk confirms that the infidel tortured in his grave, and the believer enjoys in his grave.
We say: If the infidel who has committed sins and immorality and injustice of the people and eat the rights of others ... If this does not punish the infidel in his grave, Will is in flight entertainment, even the time? We also say that the body of the infidel wear out and exhausted, but the soul is tormented, but the same insured to the Creator to enjoy and is preparing to enter the Paradise on the Day of Resurrection, and the Almighty said: ((27) [To the righteous it will be said], “O reassured soul
(28) Return to your Lord, well-pleased and pleasing [to Him]
(29) And enter among My [righteous] servant * and go in Committees) [Fajr: 27-30].

Finally
I say, my brothers and sisters,. In the book of God many of the verses is not absorbed by the human mind, like the miracles of the prophets ... May Allah (SWT) to Prophet Solomon peace be upon the jinn and devils and the wind carried his command ... And split the moon to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ... And Allaah saved Abraham peace be upon him from the fire and the law of combustion malfunction ...
All of this can not be explained by the laws of physics and the universe, but we as Muslims are seeing that everything that came in the Book of Allah and the Messenger of Allah is true is the truth, and the human mind is very limited. The denial of some of the conversations the right leads to the denial of some verses of the Koran on the grounds that they violate the mind ... The Glory of God, if some Western scientists atheists say that we do not discover the secrets of the universe is very little, what do not we should we Muslims have to respect the hadeeth of the Messenger of God peace be upon him, and say, as he says: (85. And they ask you (O Muhammad) concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: “The Ruh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.”) Isra: 85].


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Posted: 01 September 2012 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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sony - 01 September 2012 04:42 AM

the revelation came Jibreel to the Prophet Muhammad told him Eayat God and reduce him and said, ((6) Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and ] out of sorrow (
The words of Allaah ((21) So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder
(22) You are not over them a controller
(23) However, he who turns away and disbelieves
(24) Then Allah will punish him with the greatest punishment
(25) Indeed, to Us is their return
(26) Then indeed, upon Us is their account

Almost every successful religion in the world has some mechanism similar to this, to threaten punishment if someone leaves the religion. Christianity certainyl does. Mormonism does. Scientology does. Although, the specifics of the punishment may vary. Scientologists who leave their church are threatened with severe legal action, paying ridiculous fees, and having everyone they know who remains in the church cut off contact with them, including (if applicable) family members.

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Posted: 01 September 2012 10:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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sony - 01 September 2012 04:42 AM

.... - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment….

Indeed, Allah is a demented, perverted sadist. Thank humanism, he is fictional.

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Posted: 01 September 2012 11:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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sony - 01 September 2012 04:42 AM

.... - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment….

Indeed, Allah is a demented, perverted sadist. Thank humanism, he is fictional.

Yeah, but just imagine the sadism of the humans who made him up ... shock

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Posted: 01 September 2012 12:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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sony - 01 September 2012 04:42 AM

.... - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment….

Indeed, Allah is a demented, perverted sadist. Thank humanism, he is fictional.

Yeah, but just imagine the sadism of the humans who made him up ... shock

Accepting, perpetuating, and seeking to impose such a belief, also seems cruel to me, in today’s day and age.

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Posted: 01 September 2012 04:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Yes, live in celebration of life, but if your celebration doesn’t not include Muahammad, there is only eternal torment after death.

But what about Christ, who said,

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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I am so confused. Who do I choose and not suffer eternal damnation from the other?

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Posted: 01 September 2012 09:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Write4U - 01 September 2012 04:26 PM

I am so confused. Who do I choose and not suffer eternal damnation from the other?

Ra and Cthulhu work well for me.

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Write4U - 01 September 2012 04:26 PM

I am so confused. Who do I choose and not suffer eternal damnation from the other?

No, you are all confused. The true path to enlightenment is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irgJPqkuakM

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Posted: 01 September 2012 11:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Write4U - 01 September 2012 04:26 PM

I am so confused. Who do I choose and not suffer eternal damnation from the other?

No, you are all confused. The true path to enlightenment is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irgJPqkuakM

Seriously? The sadists that invented a hell where one’s skin would be burned off, replaced and burned off, for all of eternity, lacked imagination.  How about a hell where one is forced to view and listen to that Disco Duck youtube video in a continuous loop for all of eternity? smile

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Posted: 01 September 2012 11:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I find it curious that the eternally at war gods always seem to fight it out on earth by proxy (humans).

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Posted: 02 September 2012 12:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Write4U - 01 September 2012 04:26 PM

I am so confused. Who do I choose and not suffer eternal damnation from the other?

No, you are all confused. The true path to enlightenment is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irgJPqkuakM

Seriously? The sadists that invented a hell where one’s skin would be burned off, replaced and burned off, for all of eternity, lacked imagination.  How about a hell where one is forced to view and listen to that Disco Duck youtube video in a continuous loop for all of eternity? smile

LOL

(it was a pretty good band)

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Posted: 03 September 2012 06:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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God will bring back the dead

Again after death
People
What did the good or evil
God punishes
Infidel who does not believe in one God
Enter fire
The insured will enter Paradise
God says in the Holy Quran


259. Or like the one who passed by a town and it had tumbled over its roofs. He said: “Oh! How will Allah ever bring it to life after its death?” So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: “How long did you remain (dead)?” He (the man) said: “(Perhaps) I remained (dead) a day or part of a day”. He said: “Nay, you have remained (dead) for a hundred years, look at your food and your drink, they show no change; and look at your donkey! And thus We have made of you a sign for the people. Look at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh “. When this was clearly shown to him, he said, “I know (now) that Allah is Able to do all things.”

77. Does not man see that We have created him from Nutfah (mixed male and female discharge semen drops). Yet behold! He (stands forth) as an open opponent.
78. And he puts forth for Us a parable, and forgets his own creation. He says: “Who will give life to these bones when they have rotted away and became dust?”
79. Say: (O Muhammad [IMG]) “He will give life to them Who created them for the first time! And He is the All-Knower of every creation!”
80. He, Who produces for you fire out of the green tree, when behold! You kindle therewith.
81. Is not He, Who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the like of them? Yes, indeed! He is the All-Knowing Supreme Creator.
82. Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, “Be!” and it is!
83. So Glorified is He and Exalted above all that they associate with Him, and in Whose Hands is the dominion of all things, and to Him you shall be returned.

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Write4U - 01 September 2012 11:57 PM

I find it curious that the eternally at war gods always seem to fight it out on earth by proxy (humans).

How about a WWE match with Vishnu and Oshtur together vs. Allah?  Who would win?

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sony - 05 September 2012 05:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrSKNBhvApQ

sony, this is a forum for discussion and inquiry, not for posting long quotes, monologues and blind links to YouTube videos. Refusal to engage in good-faith discussion is a form of trolling, and is against the rules. Continued rule violation will lead to banning. Thanks.

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sony - 05 September 2012 05:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrSKNBhvApQ

I’ve already seen this video from another thread.  It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread or the ensuing dialogue.  Sony, it seems to me that the totality of your posts are simply a poorly organized and futile effort to seek converts to Islam.

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