Should Governments rescind the Noble Lie of religions?
Posted: 26 September 2012 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Should Governments rescind the Noble Lie of religions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDNHM84lBA0

These lies were and are given to insure social harmony in an uneducated and gullible population. Our Governments lie and allow liars to lie to us of the supernatural, fantasy and magic.

Governments learned a long ago that religions were a good tool to use for social manipulation and control. Governments allowed and encouraged belief in fantasy, miracles and magic, the opium of the masses, and have lived with the drugged up population and religions.

Governments, with this noble lie, have maintained the current idiocy of immoral teachings within religions and have caused much unjust discrimination and denigration of innocent populations of Gays, women and many others, for just doing what we now see as moral.

Do you think we have matured enough as a people that we can now rescind the laws that protect religions and gives them a tax haven and legitimacy?

Are we intelligent enough to not need these lies anymore?

Can the population take our real reality or is the Government just going to let the flim-flam con game of religions to continue to damage the mental capabilities of the citizens in our country?

Flim-flam and con artists are subject to the law of the land.—- except for religions.

Can the population of take the truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVfY9k&feature=player_embedded


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Posted: 26 September 2012 12:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Greatest I am - 26 September 2012 09:25 AM

Governments learned a long ago that religions were a good tool to use for social manipulation and control. Governments allowed and encouraged belief in fantasy, miracles and magic, the opium of the masses, and have lived with the drugged up population and religions.

I think that this assertion is a bit naive. We don’t even know which came first: government or religion, because even from the beginning of what recorded history that we have concerning either, they were already married. To say that governments ‘allow’ religious ideas gives governments a bit too much credit, methinks. Remember that separating them is still historically a very recent, radical idea.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 06:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Do you think we have matured enough as a people that we can now rescind the laws that protect religions and gives them a tax haven and legitimacy?

False dichotomy. Whatever level of maturity we achieved or not, there is no good reason to tolerate any sort of system which is based on demonsterable falsehoods. Perpetuating lies won’t make us grow up any faster.

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Posted: 26 September 2012 07:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Social manipulation is necessary, but I doubt government is making people believe- they are probably exploiting the fact that most humans do believe in some transcendental thing. 

However, if it were true that government is responsible for religious belief, then they should not rescind.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 06:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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TromboneAndrew - 26 September 2012 12:15 PM
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Governments learned a long ago that religions were a good tool to use for social manipulation and control. Governments allowed and encouraged belief in fantasy, miracles and magic, the opium of the masses, and have lived with the drugged up population and religions.

I think that this assertion is a bit naive. We don’t even know which came first: government or religion, because even from the beginning of what recorded history that we have concerning either, they were already married. To say that governments ‘allow’ religious ideas gives governments a bit too much credit, methinks. Remember that separating them is still historically a very recent, radical idea.

I agree that religion and government were tied so tight that they were inseparable.

Who would have given any command or indication that the myths of religions should be tax free and thus give them undeserved credibility? Man or God?

You say I am naive for thinking man.

If you think it was some God then you would be the naive one.

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Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon - 26 September 2012 06:23 PM

Do you think we have matured enough as a people that we can now rescind the laws that protect religions and gives them a tax haven and legitimacy?

False dichotomy. Whatever level of maturity we achieved or not, there is no good reason to tolerate any sort of system which is based on demonsterable falsehoods. Perpetuating lies won’t make us grow up any faster.

I agree.
In fact, it retards us and we all know how religions hate reality and truth.
Think Galileo and FMPOV, governments retard us by leaving the Noble Lie in place.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 06:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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mid atlantic - 26 September 2012 07:17 PM

Social manipulation is necessary, but I doubt government is making people believe- they are probably exploiting the fact that most humans do believe in some transcendental thing. 

However, if it were true that government is responsible for religious belief, then they should not rescind.

Why is continuing to lie to a population a good think to you?
If belief in fantasy, miracles and magic were of value then why not put creationist thinking in our schools?

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Posted: 27 September 2012 06:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Greatest I am - 27 September 2012 06:22 AM

Who would have given any command or indication that the myths of religions should be tax free and thus give them undeserved credibility? Man or God?

God.

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George - 27 September 2012 06:31 AM
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Who would have given any command or indication that the myths of religions should be tax free and thus give them undeserved credibility? Man or God?

God.

As expressed by a man.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Greatest I am - 26 September 2012 09:25 AM

Should Governments rescind the Noble Lie of religions?

The quickest most efficient way to spread religion like wildfire would be for the government to ban it. Not sure if it’s human nature or just american culture, but as soon as you say no to something, people want it more. No, religion will die a slow and agonizing death left on it’s own, taking lots of good well-meaning people down with it, IMO.

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Posted: 27 September 2012 10:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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mid atlantic - 26 September 2012 07:17 PM

Social manipulation is necessary, but I doubt government is making people believe- they are probably exploiting the fact that most humans do believe in some transcendental thing. 

However, if it were true that government is responsible for religious belief, then they should not rescind.

Why is continuing to lie to a population a good think to you?
If belief in fantasy, miracles and magic were of value then why not put creationist thinking in our schools?

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I think that many people simply need to believe in the supernatural in order to get through life. Although I don’t think it’s possible to make them stop believing, it would likely be dangerous if it was possible - many would snap and go ape - manure, IMO.

In regards to teaching creationism in schools, that’s a good point; it’s illegal in the US public schools though, and there are other schools besides public which will teach a religion based curricula.

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Posted: 29 September 2012 04:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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mid atlantic - 27 September 2012 10:56 PM
Greatest I am - 27 September 2012 06:27 AM
mid atlantic - 26 September 2012 07:17 PM

Social manipulation is necessary, but I doubt government is making people believe- they are probably exploiting the fact that most humans do believe in some transcendental thing. 

However, if it were true that government is responsible for religious belief, then they should not rescind.

Why is continuing to lie to a population a good think to you?
If belief in fantasy, miracles and magic were of value then why not put creationist thinking in our schools?

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DL

I think that many people simply need to believe in the supernatural in order to get through life. Although I don’t think it’s possible to make them stop believing, it would likely be dangerous if it was possible - many would snap and go ape - manure, IMO.

In regards to teaching creationism in schools, that’s a good point; it’s illegal in the US public schools though, and there are other schools besides public which will teach a religion based curricula.

Seems you think the Noble Lie is required to keep the people happy.
I seek truth so cannot agree. I prefer a life based on truth.

Living a life with the Noble Lie to me would be like living as the people this clip speaks to live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Oww4Ap3YZA

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CuthbertJ - 27 September 2012 02:02 PM
Greatest I am - 26 September 2012 09:25 AM

Should Governments rescind the Noble Lie of religions?

The quickest most efficient way to spread religion like wildfire would be for the government to ban it. Not sure if it’s human nature or just american culture, but as soon as you say no to something, people want it more. No, religion will die a slow and agonizing death left on it’s own, taking lots of good well-meaning people down with it, IMO.

I do not see rescinding the Noble Lie as a call for a ban on religion.

It is just saying that they have not proven their legitimacy and have not earned the tax breaks and subsidies that you and I pay.

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