... to respond to your final point: No, I’m not a “poor atheist”. I still have a bible, although I’ve thrown a few of the other copies I had into the recycling bin…. So, no, I don’t need your link. Occam
Occam. I was joking when I used the words “poor atheist”. I apologize if it sounded like a dig, or a jab. It was meant as a joke. But seriously, what version of the Bible do you have? I find the Gateway link useful because it has so many versions from which to choose.
I am sure that you are aware that the title “The Bible” literally means, The Book. This of course is a misnomer. The Bible is really a collection of 66 documents—some are only a few pages long, certainly not a book. The story of how we got more than 450 English versions of this set of documents is a long one perhaps of interest only to historians. For any here who are interested, The folowing link filled with details:
BTW, The Hebrew Bible, which is part of the Christian one, is called the “Torah, Nevi’im, and Ketuvim”. In English this means: The Law The Writings (stories and poems) and The Prophets—not to be confused with modern fortune tellers or forecasters.
Occam. - 11 February 2013, Come on, from everything you’ve written on this forum it’s quite apparent that you are a strong theist…
“strong” theist? No! And certainly not, as you say, “not in the every day sense” of the word.
While I understand the sentiment behind thinking theistically, I have—and have had since I was in high school—problems with the conservative, and especially the fundamentalist kind of theistic absolutism. Because of this, I gave up, long ago, saying things like: We must trust God to bless us! Everything that happens, good or evil, is his absolute will—the WILL of God, of Allah, whoever. It’s kismet, foreordained, predestined, fate, karma!
Regarding this important issue, there is more I would like to add and explore here, but not know!
BTW, Have we not all read stories in the paper with quotes like this: “Yes, I was in that recent plane crash that killed over 200 people. But God saved the lives of ten of us, thank God! He had his hand on at least ten seats. One of them, praise God, was mine.” You know the patter.
AS A PROCESS THEOLOGIAN, Process Theology (PT) is my cup of tea. Therefore, I agree that I am a strong unitheist—a doublet of panentheist.
Unitheism is unlike strong theism, which speaks of a God who is an absolute and supernatural being. Unitheism says that “god” is in and around the evolutionary process going on within and around us. “god” is not one who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent—apart from all painful processes.
If you have the patience, here is the basic info about PT, from Wikipedia
Process theology or process thought is a school of thought influenced by the metaphysical process philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead (1861–1947). He was a great mathematician and philosopher—and it was further developed by the Rev. Charles Hartshorne (1897–2000). Whitehead was a friend of and collaborator with the atheist, Bertrand Russell, who co-authored, with A. N. Whitehead, Principia Mathematica, an attempt to ground mathematics on logic. His philosophical essay “On Denoting” has been considered a “paradigm of philosophy.”
While there are process theologies that are similar, but unrelated to the work of Whitehead (such as Pierre Teilhard de Chardin) the term is generally applied to the Whiteheadian/Hartshornean school.