your little cartoon of the flying rat is cute. But what everyone has been trying to tell you is that bats are not rodents and therefore your “supporting evidence” is not accurate.
Well, i have actually not presented any ” supporting evidence ” at all. I just want to see how proponents of the evolution theory explain for example the echolon system of bats through gradual steps of evolution…...
You see, if you are going to cite science to support your concept of god, then it is incumbent on you to maintain scientific rigor in your examples.
Sure. where is yours in regard of bat evolution ?
After all it was an animal that jumped to get the insects that turned into a bat, Maybe so, but it was NOT a rat.
Never mind. Do you want to win the argument just arguing with me, that i was wrong in mentioning a rat ?
Anyone who has read Darwin and later more in depth studies lay out the evolutionary process very clearly and persuasively.
So how about you lay it out in regards of bats ? still waiting…..
But to answer the quoted portion, you have not provided evidence for a God, other than it is possible.
The fact that you ignore my explanations does not mean you have a case for naturalism. You have only one, if you can present positive arguments that make it highly probable that philosophical naturalism is true. So far, you have failed to do so.
Science does not say it is impossible, I am…........, because IMO, creation by an motivated supernatural intelligent entity is the absolute last of the possibilities I would consider.
I don’t know why. But anyway, what makes you believe, chance, or physical necessity have more explanatory power ?
It just occurred to me that The argument for Intelligent Design rests on the assumption that spontaneous universal evolution could not have produced the size and complexity we see.
But consider this, a single spark can be causal to the burning down of a thousand acres of forest. E = Mc^2 itself is an expression of enormous power contained in a very small object. It appears that a single cubic centimeter of spacetime contains as much energy as the entire known universe. Fractals teach us that exquisite geometric complexity may be achieved from simple iterations in the formation of galaxies down to Planck length. The term “butterfly effect” is a term used in science to show a phenomena that sometimes incalculable results may start as a ripple of air or as a ripple in spacetime. That is not evidence of intelligence, it is evidence of a range of potential natural outcomes from even the most miniscule and humble beginnings.
As long as you are unable to explain the fine tuning of the universe, and how the codified, specified, complex information was stored in the cell ” naturally “, your arguments are not convincing.
If the universe started from a singularity surrounded by nothingness, god could not have exceeded the size of that singularity.
The cause of the singularity , and the universe, was not bent to space and matter. Since it created it, the cause was above it.
If there is a causal agent (god), then at one time it must have been a singularity and very, very small at that. By the “butterfly effect”, it is clear that there are potentially enormous forces that can and have been released from seemingly inconsequential causalities.
what inconsequential causalities are that ?
Quantum = God
Granted, I admit to visualizing the BB as a mega-quantum event. Ok, a mega-quantum event = god = chaos (from which order emerged and evolved in accordance with Universal laws and constants). I could get behind that if you make it an impersonal function and drop this motivated intelligence junk.
why do you think it is junk ? just because you want so ? you just show how biased you are.
But again I will give you a spiritual out with a scientifically defensible quote from the NOETIC science channel. You should have no objection to that source.
The Explicate Order, weakest of all energy systems, resonates out of and is an expression of an infinitely more powerful order of energy called the Implicate order. It is the precursor of the Explicate, the dreamlike vision or the ideal presentation of that which is to become manifest as a physical object. The Implicate order implies within it all physical universes. However, it resonates from an energy field which is yet greater, the realm of pure potential. It is pure potential because nothing is implied within it; implications form in the implicate order and then express themselves in the explicate order. Bohm goes on to postulate a final state of infinite [zero point] energy which he calls the realm of insight intelligence. The creative process springs from this realm. Energy is generated there, gathers its pure potential, and implies within its eventual expression as the explicate order.’ Will Keepin, David Bohm, Noetic Science Journal
Now, please translate this , and explain with YOUR words, what you understand with that.
I am convinced that with the term “insight intelligence” Bohm did not mean a motivated supernatural entity, but a mindless Universal Potential (a latent excellence which may become reality). He called it the Holomovement.
Is that from the Star Wars movie, or something like that ?
I have simplified it to: Potential = God. God requires the additional characteristic of motivated intelligence, Potential does not require this characteristic to function equally effectively. Therefore , by Ockham’s razor, Potential is the more fundamental attribute for becoming explicate in reality.
I have never seen a ” potential ” create codified information…...